Tastiness vs weight tradeoff


(Doing a Mediterranean Keto) #1

I always thought there was a tradeoff between tasty food and becoming overweight. So, to be slim I had to eat non-tasty food.

However, now in maintenance I start to understand that this tradeoff is not always true.

When not in keto, the problem is that wheat distorts everything. If I eat bread and pasta, the tradeoff is completely real.

But doing keto (or dirty keto, which is possibly what I do), the tradeoff is not true. For example, I eat lots of nuts (through chaffles), which have 600kcal per 100g, so a lot, and they are very tasty. But I do not gain weight with them.

I eat non-sugar marmalade, with 13kcal per 100g. Delicious. Not gaining weight.

I eat 3 or 4 protein bars per day. Delicious, many different sweet tastes and textures. Not gaining weight.

I eat olive oil by liters. Lots of calories, supposedly. Not gaining weight.

Of course, I eat mostly vegetables, which have low calories. And I realize that the portion size that now fills me, is smaller than before.

But what is great is that the tastiness vs weight tradeoff does not bind me anymore. I eat very tasty things (I highlight chaffles, protein bars and olive oil here), which they satisfy me, and I do not think at all I am on a diet. In fact, it is a (hopefully) sustainable way of eating for the rest of my life.

Wheat is a drug.


#2

Wonderful!
I found out by eating keto that I was allergic to grains before. Who knew? Now I dont even want to go back to eating bread because I would be afraid of the consequences. I have even tried keto bread and found it a huge disappointment. I used to love sandwiches, but now I don’t miss them at all. I saw a clip on youtube where a woman said that after a year of keto she decided to give herself the treat of a potato. She was so exited and looking for this taste explosion and it was a huge disappointment. She said the potato tasted bland. She said our tastes change after a while on keto.


(Natasha) #3

Might yes! Me too! I’m so glad this is not the case anymore :grinning:


(Natasha) #4

[quote=ā€œChantarella, post:2, topic:98606ā€]
she decided to give herself the treat of a potato. She was so exited and looking for this taste explosion and it was a huge disappointment. She said the potato tasted bland. [/quote]

Ohhh but if that same potato was cut into wedges, triple cooked, fried in beef tallow and generously salted… mmmmmm :potato:


(Doing a Mediterranean Keto) #5

Ah, and I forgot my secret weapon: the surimi pasta! Here in Barcelona we have pasta made out of surimi, so perfectly keto, low calories, and totally unindistinguishable from normal pasta. My wife asks me for more all the time!


#6

@Natasha
Thats just the point. Not. You can triple cook, and fry in tallow anything else. Its not the potato.


(Prancing Pony) #7

I read somewhere that gluten converts to opioid like compounds in the digestive process so your statement is completely accurate :wink:


(Doing a Mediterranean Keto) #8

Yes, there is something (wheat? bread? pasta? sugar? I cannot pinpoint it exactly) that creates a diabolic feedback loop: the more I eat of it, the more I want it. And I cannot stop this process.

Before I thought it was ā€œhigh caloric intakeā€. But it is not, since products that have a much higher calorie density than bread (say nuts or olive oil) do not have this process at all.

So, at least for my N=1, there is something in wheat et al that makes me a real addict.


#9

I got carried away and wrote about carby and other food in my life, nothing particularly interesting, just my personal experiences and tastes. I don’t want to abandon this comment so I put this warning here.

I am a hedonist who loves food. I almost never accept anything below 9/10 for a meal so of course I eat very delicious food on every diet. I am lucky enough to love the taste of almost anything (most green leaves, avocado, almost all lean protein and a few other things are exceptions) so it’s easy for me :slight_smile:

I had problems with quantities. I still can’t eat much and except fat-loss (maintenance is pretty easy on and off keto, at least now that I’m not even slim yet) but I can get satiated with little if I avoid plants, it’s great. And the food still tastes great - but I don’t even find that as important as before. I just can’t eat not tasty food but the bar is still lower.

Carbs mess up everything in my case, they make me very hungry so no. I don’t need just ketosis, I need extreme low-carb. I avoid vegetables as much as I can and it’s pretty much now.
And when my carbs are this low (and I don’t have chocolate), it’s easier to eat a modest amount of fat. It was a challenge since I went low-carb ages ago but lots of fat and fat-loss can’t happen at the same time, I am not that active or big.

I still taste almost everything the same (except often sweeter) as before. My old favs, potatoes are still very delicious (the good ones, they aren’t all the same, of course), my desires towards them came back after 5 years and I had somewhat potato-rich and enjoyable time for a short while. But it’s worth it only if it’s fried and crunchy, good taste can’t tempt me so easily, all my food is tasty…

Bread is an absolutely bad idea as I easily eat 500g bread with lots of fat and gets hungrier… I feel as if I ate nothing at all, it’s very odd as I consume so many calories and my body surely uses them. And if I need bread for something, I can make a keto or even carnivore one (the latter isn’t real bread but it’s perfect for a stew I can’t eat alone). I don’t actually need bread but I like the experience, the texture, it has its role sometimes. All my keto and carnivore breads taste better than the usual wheat bread in this household, the main reason is probably that they contain lots of eggs :smiley: If I want to eat wheat bread for some reason, I better make one with eggs, I actually did that when I ate wheat bread. And I dislike white bread since decades.
But bread is still nice tasting, just bad for me. Most other things with lots of flour taste a bit like raw flour to me now (simple cookies, normal pancakes. people always use so little egg in pancakes so it tastes flour, it’s awful), bread is something special. But I have tastier and way better things so it’s fine. But I know it could trigger me after 8 years on low-carb. It’s good I have keto bread for the rare cases when there is too much temptation but not enough to actually eat the wheat bread.
Pasta (I used it galore on high-carb) isn’t a problem as I dislike the ones without eggs, I don’t buy ones with eggs (because the eggs are normal eggs, below my standards) and I mostly like the shapes I can’t make myself. Maybe I will make my own one day but I tried to make pasta about 3 times in a decade, I am not in a hurry, I have my easy (and obviously very eggy) replacements, not like I use those often. Pasta is tiresome, boiling water and everything, such a mess, I don’t know why people consider it quick and easy. Frying some eggs is quick and easy or eating some smoked ham and it’s even better :smiley: Yep, laziness has its advantages. I am willing to put effort into a tasty meal but only if I can’t do a similarly good one in way less time - or if I enjoy the process myself. I like baking bread, for example. It’s very fortunate I can bake bread and someone else eats it up.

My worst trigger food is peanuts, I was totally addicted and ate every day, sometimes in too big amounts but I suddenly stopped and I am fine since then, a perk of carnivore… 100g is so little, it’s easy to eat in no time but my desires aren’t necessarily satisfied and my body complains because it’s not good for it for some reason. And I ruin my fat-loss too. I am able to eat 2g too but that is rarely worth it and it has its danger still. Better to forget about its existence. Not like I don’t see the jar in the kitchen all day but carnivore keeps me safe. It’s not food for me.

Dense food always worked for me (as long as I minimized the ingredients with much fat and little protein)… Why dieters think the calorie density must be low, I can’t imagine. I go for satiation, health and joy. Well, I am not a volume eater, they need a different approach but dense items are still fine, they just need to add something else too. I have my fluffy items myself, eggs :slight_smile: And I have soups. But some very fatty meat works for me, it does the job… Being very hungry with a full stomach on the other hand is pretty annoying.
Each to their own.


(Elian) #10

It’s been proven no human being can fully digest gluten. Why? Simply because it was not meant for us to digest. It was never meant to be consumed by human beings. I’m not even going to mention it being GMO and heavily laden with pesticides nowadays. Same with corn, particularly since the molecule looks so much like gluten and triggers an immune response.

Sure, there might be people who tolerate it to some degree and you could even get away with eating it in small quantities once in a blue moon but as I always say, why eat it if you can live without it? :smile:


(Paulene ) #11

Do you mean the seafood paste stuff?


#12

that tastes like rubber tubing to me.


(Paulene ) #13

So does pasta… now. :joy:

But I’m up for anything low carb that carries carbonara sauce!


#14

cauliflower!!!:rofl:
with carbonara sauce and pesto sauce and gorgonzola sauce and and and…


(Paulene ) #15

:unamused: Am I the only one that is a bit sick of caulieflower??

(except as mash with cream cheese on top of shepherds pie ā€˜a la @KetoSnaps’ - that will never get old)


(charlie3) #16

I get nearl all my calories from the best produce/butcher shop in reach and make two main meals, a large salad with many non startchy vegetables plu an avecado and smothered in home made olive oil dressing. The other meal is beef and salmon. (It’s valuable to have first name relationship with a butcher.) Scattered about is ice coffee and HB eggs. I love it all. I’ve stumbled into reliable hunger control. I do a lot of moderate intensity cardio plus some lifting. Those add 1200 calories a day to a 1700 calorie RMR. If all that comes from whole food I’m stuffed when I go to bed and feel some hunger when I get up. On maintenance calories I’m never hungry any more. Lately it appears I’m eating less than maintenance because I’m just full, another nice development.


(Doing a Mediterranean Keto) #17

I am talking about this:

https://www.alcampo.es/compra-online/frescos/ahumados-sucedaneos-gulas-anchoas-/sucedaneo-angulasurimi/surimi/pescanova-tallarines-de-surimi-125-gr/p/72912

Neither me nor anybody else from my family can distinguish this pasta from ā€œnormalā€ pasta.


(Rebecca 🌸 Frankenfluffy) #18

I find that makes it a bit too sloppy - just cauliflower and a load of grated mature cheddar with the stick blender!

I’d really pine without brassicas in my life - cauliflower and broccoli are what I love to eat the most! I’m about to make a Thai curry which will be jam-packed with the stuff! :rofl::yum::star_struck:

#notsickofcauliflower


(Vic) #19

Keep the Bread Ill have this instead

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No trad-off Yet as far as I can see


(Paulene ) #20

#toomuchofagoodthing

:joy: