Survey: Does Any Particular Carb Food(s) Challenge Your Resolve to Eat Keto?

(Bob M) #81

Yeah, who is that freak who can eat one chocolate chip cookie and put the bag away? :wink:

(Bob M) #82

I still find alcohol relaxes me pretty much more than anything else. So, I have one drink per week, maybe a few drinks per week (one per day) on holidays.

But, like you, drinking on an empty stomach before dinner can make me loopy. So, I usually drink at home after dinner.

But, it’s like everything else: if you can’t moderate it, you shouldn’t be eating/drinking it.

I find I can eat certain things and not want them, and yet have an issue with others. For instance, we’ll probably make fried potatoes this holiday (small potatoes, cooked in the instant pot, then fried in ghee). I don’t get any cravings or anything after that.

We also ordered an ice cream pie, intending to share with a group of people. We’re not having anyone over, though, so there’s only 5 of us. It’s really, really, really difficult for me to have one piece of ice cream pie and not want another or two others. And, as I’ve said before, I’d rather have one piece and get it over with, with nothing left over. That is normally possible, when we have 14+ people, but not possible with 5 for things like an ice cream pie.

#83

Revisiting this thread and not sure what happened but I am gaining more weight from when I posted last. I resolve everyday to eat Keto and some days I get derailed at the outset, others I get hungry at night and another family member makes a home made baked good and the WOE is history whether for that day or longer. I definitely have trigger foods is the short answer. I agree with @PaulL

I tried @240lbfatloss suggestion when I was good with Keto and was simply stalled, I tried breaking the stall with upping carbs for 2 or 3 days. It did not break the stall although I was not tempted the first few times I tried it in 2017, went straight into a fast and back then it was a relief. Gradually when I tried this again in 2018, it did nothing and I ended up gaining slowly eventually and breaking the stall started lasting longer than it should. That first year I broke Keto deliberately maybe 4 times, mostly from October 2017 to March 2018 (started Keto April 2017), it did not work. I am sure it works for some people but so do lots of different WOEs.

The whole addiction question is so interesting. I think most people are addicted to carbs, it is simply a matter of degree. I would put it that maybe 20 - 25% of the people are not addicted (picked a random number but it is similar to the normal response that Joseph Kraft had to his advanced insulin resistance test), the very thin, the very active, some very small number eat to live, I had a relative like that, he simply did not care that much about food, would eat three simple meals a day, whatever his spouse prepared. Something I loved about researching Keto and Jason Fung was learning how addicted the average westerner is to carbs. Most do not realize it. The reason you cannot stop at one of anything potato chips, cookies, fries, jelly beans, is the insulin response. Keto will break that addiction for some people but not everyone. After being on Keto for a while I could eat one cookie. However I still haunted by the taste of a small bite of homemade sweet chocolate that my kids made in 2017! I felt compelled to take a bite because they insisted and it was amazing and I managed to stop at a bite but I can still remember how it tastes!

Addiction is a physical response, for anyone with a typical western childhood and adulthood (ie not the victim of abuse, trauma, was not orphaned at a young age etc) it does not mean it is an emotional response and has nothing to do with your mental state although of course it can. It is primarily a physical response. Many years ago when I first met my best friend she and I were both substantially overweight. She was heavier than I was and had been heavy since age 2 (I was thin then normal until mid 20s). She had tried and regained Atkins weight more than once. Our first debate was whether there was an emotional component to eating. She believed weight was emotional and had all sorts of struggles with her mom who was thin and pushed her to lose weight (but otherwise had a perfectly normal life and she and her mom love each other). I believed she was wrong. I enjoy overeating and had for years. Back then I had recently had a baby and while I was pregnant with my daughter I had no interest in overeating. It was weird. I could have one cookie and forget to have more. Literally forget Normally I am thinking when will it be polite to grab more cookies, cake etc in whatever setting I am in, regardless of how comfortable I am to be there. It was the same with subsequent pregnancies, I would forget to get seconds, I would be full quickly or skip meals. In fact a new co worker on my last pregnancy could not understand why I was so heavy since I ate so little (unintentional I promise). The minute I gave birth my appetite increased. I would weigh more when the baby was 3 months old than I did on the day he or she was born.

My point being there was nothing emotional about my eating. Is it a compulsion, yes but it is based on hormones and insulin and perhaps the micro biome (see study of woman who got a fecal transplant from her overweight daughter and she gained 30 or 40 lbs in a few months, one reason donors must be thin now).Fast forward to 2018, my friend whose A1C (much to her doctor’s surprise) is always in the low 5, decide to do intermittent fasting, eating from 12-8 every day. She has lost over 50 lbs and is still losing very slowly. She is very strict on time but she eats carbs although she does not over indulge without a good reason, will have dessert once or twice a week. There is nothing emotionally different in her life, she simply found a way of eating that works for her. I tease her about her belief in emotional eating although she claims the reason this works for her is she knows she only has to wait until 12 the next day to eat whatever she wants so she never has FOMO. The truth is she did not have FOMO as a 2 year old. I smile and nod and let her believe what she wants. For me eating carbs in 8 hours would not be enough to lose but I suspect her A1C started out lower than mine. She seems content with it but I could not do that and not gain weight

#85

Yikes! Sorry I took so long to see this! We have a Sears Kenmore side by side fridge. It’s 6ft to the top of the doors, then drops down an inch or so behind the doors. Hubby is eye to eye with me as long as I’m barefoot.
In other news, I no longer get those strong urges for brownies and such, but the struggle is still very real.

(B Creighton) #86

I did keto brownies recently, and they would probably had been excellent had I not used whole almond flour, but I still enjoyed them. Had lots of grass fed butter and coconut oil… I shouldn’t be talking about this while I’m doing my OMAD day…lol.

#87

Oh, talking about food doesn’t help you with fasting? It does it to me but cooking is even better (but as the food itself emerges near me, it can be a two-edged sword in certain circumstances. great when I am already hungry and only need to wait a little time though! cooking makes me busy and with food at it so I am fine with fasting a bit more).

I only made keto “brownies” but I skipped all the butter in the original recipe and some other fat too as it would have been way too much… And I do love fat but it doesn’t mean I need more than minimal added fat in my diet… I am not into those brownies but my (high-carber) SO loved them at the time I was making them. Now we have more useful recipes.

Many carby stuff can tempt me but it’s a very, very hard thing for anything sweet as they are so much better low-carb, I sacrifice nothing and gain everything. With very rare exceptions.

My vices are bread type things and fruit. If I plan ahead, I can make them keto, too bad I try to stay close to zero non-animal net carbs (and possibly carnivore) where my options are very limited in those areas (but not absent. I make wonderful sweet baked goods using only animal products if I want to. much better than the carby ones except I can’t imitate certain textures).