Substitute for Bulletproof Coffee?

(Brian) #23

LOL!! Love that last line. :smiley:

Maybe itā€™s something thatā€™s more relevant to newbies. (?) 10 or 12 hours isnā€™t a big deal. OMAD isnā€™t a big deal. The hunger monster left a long time ago. Sure, I get hungry sometimes, but never like I did when I was a carb burner.

Iā€™ve still got some extra fat onboard so I donā€™t really worry all that much about meeting a fat macro. I eat what Iā€™m hungry for. I do like butter but never cared for it in the coffee. HWC, now thatā€™s another story, my coffee is usually 20% HWC. LOL! The eggs get cooked in plenty of butter. The sausage or steak, same thing, or sometimes a little fatty ā€œgravyā€ poured over it all, not because of a macro, but because itā€™s delicious.

Never been to a Starbucks. I hear itā€™s expensive. But I have a well used Mr. Coffee. :smiley:

(Carl Keller) #24

Totally, thatā€™s the point. I continue to do so because I love my morning coffee and I feel like CO has really helped reduce inflammation in my feet, knees and back. Certainly that could also be from the Keto things I have been eating regularly but I donā€™t see any reason not to continue doing so since some xtra fat and one more source of anti-inflammation canā€™t really hurt can it?

(Frank) #25

If it works it works.

(Mike W.) #26

It can hurt if you arenā€™t losing the weight you want to. Your body will burn the fat you ingest before the fat you have. It definitely feels like an ā€œin the beginningā€ thing.

(Carl Keller) #27

@MiKetoAF Currently I am losing about 2-3 pounds per week so I am happy with the status quo. If I do hit a stall I will definitely try going without the CO in the morning. Itā€™s just the most convenient way to make sure I get the CO daily. It really is amazing stuff.

(Katie the Quiche Scoffing Stick Ninja ) #28

I would have to agree with you there.
I used the BPC to boost my fat every day and save me from eating breakfast.
As soon as I became fat adapted I dropped the high dietary fat and started losing weight immediately.

(Carl Keller) #29

So you went to how much fat per day? 50 grams? less?

(Katie the Quiche Scoffing Stick Ninja ) #30

20-30g even?
I donā€™t eat dietary fat unless itā€™s a dash of cream in my coffee.
I will still always choose the fattiest piece of meat for satiety though.
I am trying to extend fast until my body fat is low enough I can increase protein/calories and begin building more muscle, I am doing okay so far.

(Carl Keller) #31

Thanks Katie. I will try to reduce my fat intake as well. Itā€™s just hard to get out of that 70% fat 30% protein mentality. Itā€™s all Iā€™ve known the past 2 months. Iā€™ve grown quite fond of nuts lately as well.

(Katie the Quiche Scoffing Stick Ninja ) #32

There is no point continuing to eat high dietary fat when we have more than enough fuel stored within our body fat.

It is important to change your macros up as you lose weight.

You wouldnā€™t believe how many people I speak to who are doing Keto but have no idea about fat adaption and lowing dietary fat to start using their stored body fat as fuel.

(Carl Keller) #33

What you say makes total sense! Thanks again Katie. :slight_smile:

(Running from stupidity) #34

Itā€™s just horrible word usage, just like when people have some minor cold they say they have ā€œthe flu.ā€ Utterly unrelated.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #35

Keto ā€œfluā€ is nothing more nor less than sodium deficiency. You need never experience it if you keep your sodium intake up after going keto. The deficiency is simply the result of the kidneysā€™ returning to their normal, higher rate of excreting sodium once we reduce our carbohydrate intake to ketogenic levels. Recent studies have shown that people are at their healthiest when they consume 5 grams of sodium daily, or 2-1/2 teaspoons. Be sure to drink to thirst, as well, since we also excrete water more readily on a low-carb diet.

(Michelle isaacson) #36

Or they say they have the stomach flu! There is no such thing :rofl:

#37

Thank you guys for all your input, even though most of what you are talking about is wayyy over my keto beginners head. You guys are talking about fasting and fat adapted and Iā€™m over here like, ā€œWhaaatttā€¦?ā€ lol No offense meant when I say this is supposed to be a forum for newbies.

A few simple questions:

  1. My friend sent me a keto meal plan for the first week, some of the recipes I like and some I donā€™t. It doesnā€™t say in the pdf whether substitutions are ok. I would like to assume substitutions are ok, but there is no nutritional info for each recipe indicating how many grams of fat, etc. Is this something I should be measuring? Or is keto flexible enough to where I dont need to have precise measurements of meals, I should just make sure they are high in fat? I donā€™t want to have the opposite effect if I eat to little/too many fats and gain weight as a result. Is there a hard rule on timing and frequency of meals?

  2. I bought cashews as a snack, but they have a lot of salt. Is that ok?

Thank you!

FYIā€¦Just found this FAQs for newbiesā€¦very informative

Also The Ketogenic Diet in a Nutshell

(Carl Keller) #38

It took me a while to understand too.

In a nutshell, we train our bodies to use fat as a fuel instead of carbs. By eating less than 20 grams of carbs per day, we can usually get into ketosis within a few days. Ketosis just means that we are mostly burning the fat we eat for fuel.

Fat adaptation can occur within 2-3 weeks, longer for others. This is when the body has learned how to take the fat from our bodies, as opposed to the fat in our bellies, when it needs fuelā€¦ So if you lower the amount of fat you are eating during fat adaptation, the body has no choice but to use the fat on your body. When you can go 24 hours or more without experiencing hunger and without decreased energy levels, you are there.

Fasting is something you can do after you are fat adapted. You can go for a day or longer without eating because the body has become efficient at taking the fat off our bodies, in order to fuel itself.

(Carl Keller) #39

  1. You can try plugging in food items into cronometer to see exactly what cards are in the ingredients you are subbing. Personally I think itā€™s much easier and faster to keep it simple at first. Omelettes, scrambled eggs, bacon, broccoli, cauliflower with butter, salads etc.
    https://cronometer.com/

  2. Salt is a good thing for Keto. Since you have stopped eating a lot of processed crap, you are getting much less salt that you normally did. You should try to get around 2 teaspoons of salt per day. Salt and water are important to avoid keto ā€œfluā€ symptons. If you are feeling lightheaded, your heart beats too fast, have headaches, cramps, constipation or bloating, itā€™s probably because of low salt. So salt everything you can. Itā€™s not easy to get 2 tsp per day.

#40

Thanks Carl. Sounds like we should definitely be measuring the amount of carbs to put in our body. Should we also be measuring the amount of protein and fats at first? Or do we just eat as much of those as we want?

And how do you know youā€™ve entered ā€œfat adaptionā€ phase? Once youā€™ve reached that point, do you still eat less than 20 g carbs per day? How do you know how much to lower the amount of fat you are eating during fat adaption?

(Running from stupidity) #41

Cronometer is a great way to keep a track of all that, but the carbs <20g is the important part. Feed your body plenty of its new fuel to get is used to it.

(Betsy) #42

Do you know what happens if your body canā€™t burn the fat for fuel, and so isnā€™t producing ketones, and you arenā€™t eating enough glucose for your brain? Is there any danger in being in that place for an extended length of time? Some peopleā€™s bodies have difficulty with gluconeogenesis, too.

Maybe that doesnā€™t even happen, and if not, then not to worry.