Stay-On-Plan September - ZC Carnivore 30 day challenge September 2024

[robintemplin]

What is the round meat on sticks? Looks so good.
I’m a sucker for a good char on most meat!

[FrankoBear]

While dove hunting a couple of days ago I was also able to take a wild hog. I ran out of hog meat a while back so it’s nice to have fresh meat again.

You would be a welcome asset to this area as the feral pigs are not good for the environment.

@FrankoBear did you end up taking the GLP-1? Just wondering about that.

No. Keeping it in the bag. Learning more first.

Steak and eggs breakfast today.

[beannoise]

Lucky double yolk!

[beannoise]

Allergies seem to have turned into a full sinus infection. Going to try to see the nurse practitioner at the college today. She’s more willing to give an antibiotic for campus crud than my regular doctor. I get these about once a year and it usually requires a steroid and antibiotic. Hopefully it settles down. It’s quite painful. ETA- yep. Antibiotic and steroid. Going to go put a pillow over my head.

[Geezy56]

You would be a welcome asset to this area as the feral pigs are not good for the environment.

I hear you, they are really bad here as well and as much as we hunt and trap them we aren’t making a dent in the population.
We have a saying here, “A sow can have a litter of ten piglets and 15 of them will survive”.

[Shinita]

I am hard to please. We have a week long quite cold always rainy period, forecast says. I am not happy. Alvaro said mid-September was the beginning of the heating season in the distant past. Well, with this weather, people living in not insulated houses - and not being fine with a colder house like we are - surely will start that season…

We wait until November, of course. But our coconut oil became solid.

I miss sunshine very much already. A rainy week interferes with our plans too.

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9 Celsius in early afternoon… Seriously now… And rain, of course.

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Wild pigs are very much welcomed here, they belong to the forests They get some feeding… And of course, they get shot sometimes as well. That’s how things work in a wildlife park. I rarely see wild pigs, unfortunately but sometimes I do and how amazing is that? I mostly only see the tracks and digging of them.

So… I partially tracked yesterday. Only the lunch and it was already too much fat… Yeah, I should do something about it. It’s quite tragic that it’s even theoretically impossible for me to lose fat on carnivore as my food is just too fatty, even though my number one pork cuts (the ones I use most) are quite lean. I simply can’t stomach lean enough food for long. At least not with my usual methods.
But today when I took out some chicken liver from the freezer to raise my protein/fat ratio (I have plenty of pork chuck as a base but I don’t need this precious, fatty, more expensive stuff for a whole meal, I can “dilute” it a bit and all is better) I realized that maybe I could depend more on chicken heart. I don’t know if it has a similar nutrition problem as liver (way too nutritious so I need to eat it in moderation) but probably not. It’s cheap, easy to get, easy to eat and I LOVE it! I probably wouldn’t want to eat it galore but it will be nice to eat it regularly. I will make a heart/liver stew very soon and I need my little, only 1kg chicken heart supply for that (it will be a tiny stew already) but I will get some more next time I can! I like heart in general, never ate heart I didn’t but chicken hearts are so tiny and fun to eat.
So that’s a plan. I should work on OMAD too as that could help with too much fat (and protein but I don’t think it’s a problem for me lately with my chill 2MAD eating, nothing unnecessary) but I am not sure I am okay with lunch skipping yet. It would be nice occasionally though as I need it for fat fast days and they are probably vital but definitely helpful if I want to lose fat. It’s nice to have really fatty days anyway. I would have my leaner days and my fatty days, sounds good.

So that is my goal for the rest of September. Skipping lunch occasionally if I am okay with it, eating more lean organs (yum) and keep trying to lower my fatty dairy consumption… It’s not easy, I was daydreaming about some whipped cream today and I only run out of it less than 2 days ago… I can resist sour cream super well at this point though, it’s something. I did eat cheese yesterday but it was Camembert and we rarely have it. It was very lovely and suited my pork chuck slices too (the leanest part, I wondered about giving them to Alvaro if he needs it but nope, I ate it, it was SUPER tender!!! 90% of pork chuck proves why it’s my perfect food so good). When I eat the well fried fattier part (the slices were still pale but it was fine), I wouldn’t need anything with it. I missed that. I needed all kinds of stuff with the very lean pork I ate lately. Processed meat, condiments… And even so, it wasn’t very enjoyable. Okay but not to my standards.

Gloomy day but NO RAIN, I made a nice fire outside (we always have some dry wood) and Alvaro is cooking his veggie soup for forever. It takes so much more time that it’s a windy day and outside cooking (especially when some dry legumes are involved) takes hours every time. I play with the fire, cut up some logs then lose interest and come in.

My spirits are better than yesterday but I still would like some sunshine.

And I have read some countries nearby will get 400mm rain in 3 days…? Oh my. Is that even possible? Well, climate change brings extreme things, Alvaro always mentions that.
Some parts of Hungary have less than 500mm a year.

[Karen18]

That was indian spiced beef kebabs and it was very tasty… meant to be grilled but i fried it.

[Karen18]

Well the sun was shining all weekend at Dawlish…it was lovely and we had a super sunny drive down too. Fab dance on the Friday night but a little disappointing on the saturday night as we didn’t enjoy the music played by the keyboard player. I don’t think many people enjoyed it… fortunately we were sitting with a good crowd so plenty of banter and conversation. It gets very tiring when the energy level drop through bad music especially after a bad night trying to get sleep on a terrible hotel bed! I hate hotel beds!.

I was happy to return home to a bit of normality, solitude, sleep and back into my usual routine. I like a routine.

The hotel were pretty good with my dietary needs! As soon as i said i don’t need fancy and started scraping off the balsamic vinegar from the egg n bacon starter on the first night… they understood and got the gist. They did think i was odd though and the chef gave the waitress a plate of lamb and poured gravy all over it so she apparently told him No just lamb and butter! He huffed and changed the plate…it was super lovely. Everyone on our table felt stuffed after the meal except me hahaha! I felt very comfortable and satiated!

Wasn’t sure i would be feeling bright enough for CrossFit this morning and i hadn’t pre-booked but i slept fairly well last night and after coffee and reading in the nice fresh air this morning i decided at the last minute i felt good to go and went along to join the class. Speed walked there and ran back home. Great workout but very tough today. Glad i went after sitting for so long driving home yesterday…nearly 6 hours.

Had optician appointment at lunchtime in Nottingham and was given the good news that eyes haven’t deteriorated over the past 3 years. Didn’t need new specs so was pretty pleased. Just ordered a pair of normal reading glasses for indoors as i have been using off the shelf £1.99 specs from bargain brands i knew i needed a prescription pair really. I like to keep my varifoculs in the car.

This was my view at 6.45am when i was sitting on the veranda reading my daily bibles. How beautiful is Gods creation?

[Shinita]

No sunshine for me since DAYS… My spirits aren’t so bad but my energy… I am solar powered.
I did some lifting but I started a bit late again and I got too hungry in the end. I won’t track my last week except the weekend, I am sure I didn’t eat much this time! I focused on leaner meats, very little egg (we don’t have much, we get some soon), not super low dairy but not very much… A little cheese goes a long way! I eat more meat than usual, I mean the percentage of my food/macros as I don’t eat very much… Maybe that’s why I got so hungry but Alvaro came home after 3pm too…

I didn’t want my fried pork chuck today… It wasn’t freshly made but it never turned me off before… I can eat it but I can eat almost anything else so I better eat leaner pork. I fried some green ham today, I ate almost the whole pound (it’s funny but if I fry up just some little meat for the day, it very often ends up being a pound :D) and it’s quite little considering I haven’t eaten much else (but the little else was fatty because of course it was). Oh well sometimes even I have such days. it’s enough food for now and I do need the calorie deficit.

I have some roasted lean pork too but it was so small I put some pork ribs into the oven pan too! It got sooo nice and crispy, I will eat it tomorrow as I barely was hungry at dinnertime. I did need some follow-up bites and then I never got satiated but I wasn’t hungry and I like this state right now.

I will try to shot the ribs but it’s big and I need to go real far with the macro lens and we have no sunshine… I am excited, ribs is what I never buy as I tried once and it was a disappointment while I LOVED it as a kid! So maybe it’s like some other things where I managed to buy a subpar piece but then it was all good again.
But such a beauty can’t be bad. I just won’t be able to track (not like I often do but now I eat less! I want to see what happens and what macros my body accepts now) as it’s fatty meat with an unknown fat content. Lean pork is the most reliable as it’s almost no fat. If it’s 10% instead of 5, little difference. But if it’s 44% instead of 24… If it’s lower, I can catch it as I am sensitive to pork chuck fat percentage, it’s very close to my ideal.
No problem, I still can vaguely guess how many grams of ribs I eat (it can’t be accurate due to the bones).
And maybe I just keep my dairy low, my meat lean whenever I am fine with it and don’t care about tracking. But I still am curious how much meat I eat It’s just below a pound today. It was a bit more in the weekend I suppose. I had chicken liver, pork chuck and sausage. It had to be more.

Still no pure carnivore but I am fine with how close I am. The weekend was worse as I tasted Alvaro’s food. It was a soup (okay but too sweet) and I realized I miss soups (and definitely don’t want too sweet vegs). I need more in my life. I did some soup like thing in a mug using fish soup concentrate, lard and salt (and a tiny bit dried vegs, sorry but it gives it a near authentic bouillon cube feeling and I like that. my own quick and easy soup recipe is under construction). All the tea and egg milk (well 1 egg a day at most now that we are low… I can eat egg milk like no tomorrow when in the mood… it had butter today as I have no milk, cream or even milk powder now. it was nice) just doesn’t do the trick. I need some savory soup!

I am learning Italian. It’s hard. I use one of those not so great but somewhat usable and somewhat funny old books where I learn super outdated terms (a piece of clothing I never ever would use the name of, for example. I don’t know its English name, of course, why would I? I don’t even know what it exactly means…). The title is “Let’s learn Italian quick and easy!”. It’s not that quick and definitely not easy. The Grammar is overwhelming especially when they decided to show a ton of very irregular verbs at once. I am a bit lost since then but I keep up the pace (and don’t do the translation exercise. maybe I do some later). My goal is understanding anyway, not so much talking but of course it would be nice at some point.
I should continue the French one and never started Spanish. Not like I ever use my German and that was my best foreign language for long… But then I made English my most used language, I even often think in English…

I will switch to lyrics and tales soon, the book is just horrible for learning words It’s just a lot of Grammar with some examples. I am waiting for some decent sentences though the 14th(?) lesson showed promise. There was enthusiasm regarding some paintings! I can relate. I am a visual type and love good art. Always wanted to learn how to do it but lost passion… But I never will give up, I just took a way too long break this time. Drawing isn’t easy, no matter what anyone may think. I met artists thinking digital art is easy. It is not. I really like traditional art though, it is much easier regarding some things. And the basics not very closely related to the medium are the same anyway and that’s a huge, hard part. Especially for whatever I try to do. There are lots of anatomy there and I want colors and that is a can of cute worms, never got the hang of it but I keep trying. Colors are wonderful when used right.

See? I come here and don’t talk about food super much, I just don’t think of it as much as before. Good.

I wonder how everyone is, little life here since days.

By the way… I still drink coffee. Not much and I was vulnerable without sunshine… But I managed not to open a box of cream, yay! I really don’t think I like coffee except my fav instant kind. With cream if possible.

[JJFiddle]

I think I’m taking a break here, moving to an animal based forum on Reddit. AB isn’t keto! So nothing in the KF fits me currently.
I’m not saying I’ll never be back. I’ll miss you all, you’ve been my family for nearly 3 years, guiding my every step. Love you guys

[robintemplin]

Darn,
I am sorry to hear this!
We’ll miss you. But can understand if you’ve found a better fit.

[JJFiddle]

I just don’t feel it’s right or honest to filter my pics or comments or to offer my whole experience when it’s not supportive of the forum. I promise you that no other forum is this good however!

[PaulL]

I don’t know how animal-based differs from zero-carb/carnivore, so I guess I’ll have to check it out.

In any case, if you feel more at home in that Reddit sub, more power to you.

[VirginiaEdie]

Wouldn’t your AB way of eating fit some of the threads on this forum outside of the carnivore threads?

[kib1]

AB is basically Paul Saladino’s diet. Mostly animal but not entirely, and not necessarily keto because of the potential for honey and fruit. I can see why it’s not a perfect fit, but we’ll really miss you!

[ctviggen]

This is from Reddit:

[beannoise]

Stuck at the same weight for 5 months

I’ve lost and gained the same 8 pounds over the last 4 years. All keto, then carnivore. I only lose when I run. Then I get injured and put the weight back on. I probably need to lose more like 20, but I think 10 and maintenance would be a victory. I decided at the end of August I wasn’t going to play the outrunning my diet game. Also, I’ve had long-standing reactive hypoglycemia, it was suddenly triggered by very few carbs. I went carnivore until Thanksgiving, then keto minimalist through the…

I’m still stuck… and I’ve gone up to my top weight.

Anyhow. I’m recovering from my sinus crud. Tapering coffee again, but otherwise back on track with my meat only September. Kinda grouchy. Dropped the steroid pretty quick. I was only on it for 2 days.

I hope we get some rain soon very dry here.

[beannoise]

Godspeed. I always enjoy your contributions.

[Shinita]

I’m not saying I’ll never be back.

I really would like to hear you and your musical life now and then! Good luck for everything!!!

Sometimes when I find this forum slow (okay, once this far), I try to find something else but nope, nothing works after this one. I popped in a vegan forum once, it was quite tough, some were quite crazy… (I never had problems with a bad fit. Once I was a core member of a thread for divorced parents searching for a partner. from the 3 conditions I had zero but I had nice talks and even met the others once. But of course I never wanted to stay on the - inactive at that point - vegan forum, why would I do that to myself? I just wanted to see such a thing. And I have learned from it. Like, some people consider their own spouse a psychopath if they go vegan and the spouse keeps eating meat despite documentaries shown. Wow. I know there are tons of lovely, tolerant, not delusional vegans out here but the crazy ones are much louder and memorable.)

At the moment I happily eat my pork (tender, lovely green ham, I love it while I don’t want pork chuck, what is wrong with me…? it’s not the fat as I really enjoy the fatty pork ribs. I thought it’s not as fatty but it is. quite nice, I eat them together) and very little else (it means I stay a bit hungry after lunch as I just don’t want to eat much meat at once, it probably will happen eventually… but it’s fine, dinner is in 2 hours). While Alvaro doesn’t even eat any meat for days. He has his sweet veggie soup still, he just needs a cake afterwards and bam, perfect lunch for him. I wonder about the macros, especially now that I only used 1 egg in the cake as we are low - but he will buy 40 tomorrow and all will be well as far as eggs are concerned. I may make a small egg stew, it was so long ago! 20g protein, it seems, quite low, his breakfast oatmeal had 30, I doubt his dinner will be particularly protein rich without meat and eggs but it’s probably just enough for him and his average day have more. Even if he never gets close to my most decent normal days… But carbs and extra fat (I mean, beyond what I need to get enough energy) don’t satiate me, of course I eat protein!

Like this. I had difficulties with the photo, maybe tomorrow I can show other than the top part!

It is really LOVELY just like the SUNSHINE! OH yeah, 10 Celsius but sunshine, I took a nice walk (only saw ducks. where are the other waterfowls?). It’s walnut season but the disease that got very common years ago still goes very strong, making the walnuts all black and bad. I feel sorry for the critters eating it (and us but we can handle it better, probably). We have many beautiful squirrels with black tails and lots of darkness in their fur anyway here They are supposed to be red and they have that color partially and they are sometimes red but darker ones are prevalent here. Of course squirrels are opportunistic eaters and find other things but they surely depended on the zillion walnut trees around…

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I have found another photo, a few days old, peasant’s breakfast and Camembert.

And I finally tracked. 4 days. Yep, I eat in a deficit. And my protein went below the usual minimum, 130g! Not every day but I do well all the time now.
And my workout today? Went super well! I felt hungry, sleepy, didn’t care so much… But my muscles worked well and I can raise weights ~
Is it just my new-found extra determination? Wow. I don’t even sleep at the right time, I can’t go to sleep early enough, I am just too awake even after 2am I had such a good time with waking up properly and now I lost some sunshine in the morning!!! It won’t do, I will change it somehow. It takes some time but when I get the hang of it, my body stays there for a while. I just shouldn’t mess with my bedtime afterwards.

My meat intake varies, somewhere around a pound a day so that’s normal. But my dairy consumption went lower and sometimes it’s really low. And I never started to eat much eggs again… But just because of this I don’t need more meat (yet?) so I eat little enough. Without effort. Even if I eat at midnight as my body counts the protein and feels it lacking or something. Not eating too much dairy definitely helps but this much? I do eat various kinds just little! So I want to keep whatever I have now.

[JJFiddle]

Edie I thought so until I read that AB includes at least 100g carbs. I’ve been mostly just adding strawberries which are low(ish) but this is the Ketogenic Forums! I wasn’t that surprised not to find AB in my search in KF.
Saladino said “The carnivores hate me. The ketogenic community hates me. The vegans hate me. And that’s good because it’s a starting point for conversation.”

@ctviggen Bob, that’s right on. Saladino added these foods when he realized his problems were rooted in electrolyte imbalance.
@beannoise Thanks.
@Shinita thank you.
@kib1 I’ll miss you too. Good luck with everything.
@PaulL Thanks.