So my neighbor who is severely diabetic and when I say severely diabetic that means she has to inject herself with insulin using a needle directly into her stomach. I don’t think it gets any worse than that plus she takes a pill. Anyway she was telling me how she was craving a Starbucks Brownie and she was going to have to give herself some extra insulin to eat it. I said that sounds a little dangerous. I said you shouldn’t play with diabetes because that can cause all kinds of health issues. And she said no offense I’ve been wanting to tell you this for a long time but that’s sad diet you’re on the ketogenic diet is very unhealthy and all that weight loss will return and no time. And I had to chuckle inside of my brain for her to tell me I am more unhealthy than she is and she’s injecting herself with insulin. She told me you look good for now but the moment you start eating back healthy like you’re supposed to be you’re going to gain all that weight again. I told her she should really research and look at the standard American diet and you would notice that a lot of those grains and a lot of the fruit which is healthy and some degree is not healthy in large amounts. I am never going to tell somebody fruit is unhealthy because to me you sound silly but I will say it can become unhealthy and large amount of doses. I think in moderation fruit can be healthy and help you with antioxidants. But again I offered her some of my keto brownies and see how she would like them over the Starbucks brownies that she was craving because I was really concerned about her diabetes. I really hope she get her Cravings under control and really take her diabetes serious because it’s only a matter of time before her health started failing. She’s a really nice person and she has a heart of gold but she’s so misinformed on food and food choices. I really wish I would have learned about the ketogenic diet in my teen years. I heard about the Atkins diet but I was scared out of trying that diet because everybody said how unhealthy it was. I even told her to switch from margarine to butter and it will be easier on her body. Because margarine is full of wax and is unhealthy and butter is much more healthier and it reduces your cravings. I even invited her to try our Forum just to learn about an alternative way of eating. But she’s stuck on the American diet. It makes me sad just thinking about it but I had to vent and express my feelings. My kids say mom who cares if she doesn’t care about her health why do you? I guess because I’m an empathetic person
Standard American diet
I can relate, again… To me, it’s a relative but we don’t have the power to change someone else’s thoughts
and feelings about eating. Maybe we can influence certain persons a bit but they need to want it too…
Did she accept and like your brownies? My keto sweets are quite successful in my family. The ones who eat them just never will make anything like that themselves… Or eat as low-carb as I eat since ages… I can’t do much with that, in some cases, I don’t even want to. If a high-carb diet is seemingly works wonderfully for someone, I won’t even try to persuade them to change it. It’s not the usual high-carb diet, though, I can’t consider lots of added sugar right, no matter what. Maybe someone handles it but it’s far from ideal.
I have learned that you can’t save people from themselves. When I first started Keto I was eager to share what I learned and how great I was feeling. I rarely got positive feedback. In fact, I don’t even get positive feedback on Keto Facebook groups. If I inform someone that the Maltitol in the bag of sugar-free peanut butter cups they just bragged about eating will kick them out of ketosis, they’ll tell me the label said 2 net carbs and to mind my own business.
Yeah, people’s minds go into interesting places sometimes…
(My body didn’t get the memo it had to love high-carb because that’s how humans “supposed to eat” anyway. As soon as I started low-carb, it refused to accept high-carb and I was glad to comply. No, not everyone goes back to their fattening, not properly satiating diets, imagine that. Those people probably can’t.)
Actually she did like the low-carb brownies along with the Starbucks brownies. LOL. I’m not convincing somebody to eat the way that I am eating even though it’s more conducive to diabetic. In my opinion this is just the right way to eat
I had to disagree with this… she has to inject herself with insulin because her body is incapable of making it, she will die without it, as her body cannot store fat and she will waste away. That is no indication as to whether or not you are healthier than her.
For the sake of my sanity and others, I tend not to get into arguments with people who aren’t even informed on how their body works, let alone arguing against their diets. Sometimes it’s better not to care (for you)
Your kid is right. If they don’t care about their health, why should you?
It seems to me that if someone does not synthesize an absolutely essential hormone that he or she will die without they are not as healthy as someone who does. Treatment to replace the missing insulin doesn’t change that fact. Until the discovery of insulin, such folks usually died early in infancy. That’s about as unhealthy as it gets. Otherwise, I agree that it’s pointless and needless aggravation to try to convince anyone of anything they’re not interested in changing for themselves.
Her body can make insulin. The problem is is she severely overweight and she become insulin-resistant she’s not a type 1 diabetic and she’s a type 2 diabetic. And I don’t care about her health more than her I was just simply giving my own opinion and my own brain but I never voice it to her. If anything’s she voices her opinion about my diet especially when I wear my t-shirt that says I love ketogenic diet… I was just sharing my thoughts with you guys (forum) but I do understand your point of view. I am not a pro ketogenic person where I have to run around and convince people to eat the way that I do. If someone ask me about my diet then I will definitely tell them how I eat and why I lost weight but I don’t run around arguing and making points of view about my diet. Especially when I wear my ketogenic shirt that is when I will get most people who will just outright tell me their opinion about the ketogenic diet. But I don’t never voice mines back I just simply listen to them and I make my comments in my own head. I’m not confrontational. And my opinions based on my research I feel you can reverse type 2 diabetes with a ketogenic / carnivore diet it has been done. Her situation is perfectly reversible if she choose to make the right Life Choices
I’ll quibble with the word reversible. It’s treatable. In her case, using drugs. In many cases, type 2 diabetes can be successfully treated with a keto diet.
I am one of those.
Before keto, my A1c was 7.3, while using both insulin and metformin. Sometimes nearly a vial of insulin in a day. Since going keto over 3 years ago, my A1c has been as low as 5.2 without using any T2D medications. I was able to stop the insulin immediately (I took it on a sliding scale and never hit the lowest threshold again) and weaned off of the metformin months later.
But my T2D is not cured. It’s not in remission. It’s not reversed. The keto way of eating is just a more effective treatment of the symptom of high blood sugars than those medications.
It’s no coincidence that almost every T2D medication has a disclaimer that says it works “…when combined with diet and exercise…”.
Were you able to educate any doctors/health providers about the benefits of a ketogenic diet with regard to T2D?
The virus is going to shine a bright light on all the factors that might be contributing to the situation. A constant refrain is ‘pre-existing conditions’. So may be people will get interested in how to not have those and that’s about lifestyle which is what this forum is about. My hunch is the overwhelming majority of bad reactions to the virus are about metabolic issues, chronic illness. It’s frustrating that reports of fatalities mention age and little else.
For the most part, they were very supportive. I started my keto diet in the hospital at the end of 2016. It took a few conversations to get keto done right at the rehab facility – their entire menu was focused on low fat. Chicken breast, no thighs. Margarine, no butter. Low-fat processed cheese. Fake bacon. Etc. The chef came up to talk with me, and I finally started getting some better meals.
When I was in the hospital in January for a (huge) kidney stone, one of the attending nurses was very strongly against keto. I don’t remember much of the conversation since I was in a drug stupor at the time.
Karla, did she eat your Keto brownie AND her Starbucks brownie? This reminds me of a pet peeve I have, and is off subject a bit. When I cook dinners and have family/friends over it really bugs me that people will eat the keto food and the junk food at the same time. I have several family members who claim to be low-carb and ask me to cook low-carb dishes, then eat the regular stuff along with it. Maybe it’s because I spent a lot of money and effort. For instance I made Keto desserts for Christmas because it was requested by several people. Expensive ingredients like pecans, allulose, almond flour, etc were used. They ate the Keto Desserts alongside cheap boxed cupcakes. Anyway, I know it’s petty. I learned my lesson though.
Unfortunately, the older people get with with the metabolic diseases we are all to familiar with, the more vulnerable they will be…
We have learned that the biggest victim of the SAD is the immune system, and therefore more heart disease, T2D and respiratory compromise…
When all is said and done, I hope someone will get the word out, that those with a healthier way of eating were the ones who were less affected, even when infected.
If it were as simple as that what’s the point of sacrificing for the sake of health? Governments are in an akward position. Politicians hate bearing bad news. May be they hate to suggest healthier living because they don’t want to do it either. And carb addiction is almost invisible because almost everybody is an addict.
I have helped three of my cousins who had diabetes literally live an insulin free and non-detectable diabetes free life. They’re no longer type 2 diabetics now they’re not my blood cousin but I still consider them family
LOL she ate the keto brownies and 2 Starbucks brownie all in one sitting
I have research and study so many people who are now living a diabetic free life and Insulin free life after altering their diet. Based on my own research and in my opinion diabetes is a metabolic syndrome issue and it’s something you can literally fix by changing your diet. Even if you don’t like the ketogenic diet you can do a more hardcore version of it with the carnivore diet and still cure your type 2 diabetes. I hope everybody notice the trend that I keep saying type 2 diabetes
So they would pass the OGTT (Oral Glucose Tolerance Test)? It’s about like drinking a large glass of orange juice (i.e. sugar water) and checking the height and breadth of the resulting blood sugar spike.
A1c can be easily manipulated via drugs or diet and is not a reliable diagnostic test. For example, a study last year indicated A1c failed to diagnose 73% of the diabetes cases that the OGTT diagnosed.
As I said, I have been insulin free for over 3 years. The standard blood tests would fail to diagnose me as a T2 diabetic. Heck, the standard blood tests would fail to diagnose anyone that is successfully controlling their blood sugar, be it by diet, medications, or normal pancreatic function.