So I measured roasted coffee with stevia


(Nicolas) #1

So… I wanted to know if my coffee up the Blood Glucose, I have roasted coffee, that coffee that it is already like powder (Nescafe one) that it says it has sugar (4 teaspoons) and 4 teaspoons of organic stevia, only stevia and nothing else.

This is the result:
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You can make your own measure if you have your device, but it seems at least organic stevia and Nescafe Coffee (powdered) does not increase BG thus, does not increase Insulin, with those measures.


(Jane) #2

Well it might not increase blood glucose but since yours DROPPED wouldn’t that imply you had an insulin response that lowered your blood glucose?

Too bad we don’t have a test yet for insulin response - would be a very useful data point!!!


(Nicolas) #3

From what I read from others on this forum, Blood glucose is not in a fixed point, it goes down from the moment you wake up to the moment you go to sleep, going down after an hour makes sense, and it is specially low since Im eating 12 Gr of complex Carbs total during the day.

Maybe there are studies that show that BG goes down as time passes, I dont know.


(Jane) #4

Possibly… but yours dropped 9 points in an hour and it still indicates to me a small insulin reaction to the sweetness taste. No actual sugar to raise your glucose so all you see is the drop. This is consistent with other tests of various artifical sweeteners by individuals. And it varies a lot between individuals.


(Jane) #5

A way to find out if really curious would be to take your blood glucose at the same time tomorrow, eat and drink nothing for an hour, and see if your blood gluose drops 9 or so points.


(Nicolas) #6

But, does this make sense?
Usually your Blood Glucose dont go down when you consume something sweet or something resembling sweet (and this will depend upon person to person).

I dont see signficance in these measure, Whay I could do is to measure my BG at the same hour without the coffee and see if it goes down, which I think it would be the case, but then again, 1st the experiment. but you know… a lot of confounding variables masquerades everything.


(Bob M) #7

Maybe, maybe not. Check this out:

For me, if it’s about 5pm (1700), my blood sugar is naturally going down. So, is it the food or nature?

Same with the morning. Before I got my CGM, I was convinced coffee caused morning blood sugar rise. So, I used pin-prick analysis and delayed my coffee until later in the morning…and my blood sugar still went up.

Also, those pin-prick meters have high error. 100% accurate is plus or minus 15 percent. Unless you do this multiple times, at the same time under the same conditions, you won’t know.


(Nicolas) #8

You have a Freestyle, I have one too, The Optium Neo.


(Bob M) #9

I had one. I bought a year’s supply from a friend in Sweden. I have also used a US model. Now, the prices on the US model are way too expensive ($150/month). Not sure what happened, as I paid around $60/month for my Swedish version.

I have not heard of the Optium Neo. It looks like it’s only pin-prick?

I was using Bayer Contour Next Ez, which at one time was the most accurate (meaning 100% of samples were within plus or minus 15% of the actual value).

I’d love to have:

  • A CGM that’s $25/month;
  • A home insulin meter.

Those would help answer a lot of questions I still have.


(Nicolas) #10

Yes, here it is https://freestylediabetes.co.uk/our-products/freestyle-optium-neo


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #11

Glucose rises when we eat carbohydrate or sugar, yes. It should not rise as the result of consuming an artificial sweetener, however, because in the U.S., no artificial sweetener may be sold, unless there is proof that it does not cause an increase in blood sugar.

People’s concern here is with insulin. If your blood sugar drops significantly, it implies that you had a spike in insulin as a response to the sweetener (the U.S. Food and Drug Administration cares only about blood glucose, not blood insulin, so manufacturers never test for the effect of their product on insulin; there is plenty of anecdotal evidence to suggest, however, that there are people who react to certain artificial sweeteners with an insulin spike).

In your case, the drop is barely outside the range of error of your meter, so if there was an insulin spike, it was probably not a serious one.

A friend of mine is supposedly working on developing a home insulin meter; however, there are a number of difficult technical issues to overcome, so he’s not likely to come up with anything soon.


(Nicolas) #12

Does this “spike” anabolize Fat? I have a serious question about it, How much insulin (based only by watching BG) do you need to store fat? Im always all the time in the range of 70-83 mg/dl on BG even with meals, of course I cant measure every hour, for different days, that is too expensive.


(Jane) #13

This is only 16 minutes long but is very interesting


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #14

Both our insulin response to carbohydrate and the amount of serum insulin that causes us to store fat will vary from individual to individual, and within the same individual over time. One important factor at work is the degree of insulin-resistance, if any.

We evolved for our insulin to rise with meals, so that some of the food energy we eat would be stored in our adipose tissue. At a certain point, the adipocytes (fat cells) signal that they have stored enough fat to last us for a while, and the brain adjusts our hunger and satiety hormones to shut off our appetite so that we can stop eating. Then, over the time between meals (and particularly during the overnight fast), the insulin level starts to drop again, which allows the stored fat to leave the adipose tissue and be metabolised. This cycle of rising and falling insulin is how things are supposed to work.

A consistently high-carbohydrate diet causes most people’s insulin levels to be chronically elevated in response, so a ketogenic eating strategy is intended to keep insulin generally low. It helps that many people eating a well-formulated ketogenic diet to satiety find themselves quite naturally eating only one or two meals a day, which helps extend the time during which insulin secretion is not being stimulated.

Remember that a certain level of insulin is critical; the lack of insulin is the reason that an untreated Type I diabetic (whose pancreas can no longer produce insulin) eventually starves to death. The problem is not so much the natural rise and fall of insulin throughout the day, it is chronically elevated insulin that never falls.