Sleep

#1

Do you find you need less, more, or the same amount of sleep you need prior to fat adaptation?

(Davey B ) #2

Keto 2.5 years now, sleeping the same amount on average, but I do believe Iā€™m getting a more restful sleep. I love a great sleep! Only my experience of course, I hope that helps.

(Allie) #3

I still feel like I need as much sleep as I used to, but have noticed I cope better on less sleep when something happens that causes sleep disruption.

(Carl Keller) #4

I canā€™t sleep more than seven hours and Iā€™ve always been like that. What has changed for me is that after adapted, the time it takes me to fall asleep is about five minutes, especially if I am going to sleep at the same time every night. Prior to this WOE it would take 15-20 minutes or longer.

What I do find remarkable is that I am often fully awake and not yawning 15 minutes before bed time, but as soon as I lay my head on the pillow, sleep comes easily to me.

Hereā€™s an intersting article that suggests more sleep leads to more fat being burned. Itā€™s based off of a N=10 study which is pretty small but itā€™s interesting and I am a believer that quality sleep is a big part of keeping and having low levels of cortisol (stress).

(Eric - The patient needs to be patient!) #5

2nd night of fasting seems a little shorter because of ketones. But otherwise a little better. But I have been working on sleep hygiene at the same time doing keto.

(squirrel-kissing paper tamer) #6

I used to take a lot of naps. Now I donā€™t. I didnā€™t sleep well in the beginning, making the switch from carb to fat burning, but now I sleep a solid 8 and wake up refreshed. I donā€™t get as many early morning sweats (dawn phenomenon?) and I donā€™t wake up to pee every 90 minutes like I did when I was eating carbs. So, same amount but much better!

(Todd Allen) #7

Iā€™m sleeping more, no longer sleep deprived. I think it has been at least as important to my improving health and fitness as my changes in diet and exercise. Although, my sleep deteriorates when I do extended fasts and it has been one of the factors that has kept me from fasting more than a few days at a time.

(The amazing autoimmune šŸ¦„) #8

I take way fewer naps. I feel more rested. I have been very careful to provide 7-8 hours of possible sleep hours.

My body started to wake me up 15-30 minutes before my usual alarm. I used to do that as a kid. I would wake up just a little bit beforehand.

(Eric - The patient needs to be patient!) #9

Forgot to mention the same thing. Less naps.

#10

Before and since Keto/fasting I have had a history of sleep problems ā€” PTSD from intense combat and mild/moderate apnea. I only get about 4-6 hours of early sleep and need Ambien to fall asleep. Soft music and ocean surf sounds help. I only get up to pee right about dawn. It used to be 2-3 times when carby.

But strangely, I often fall asleep an hour or so after waking and then sleep soundly another 2-3 hours till mid morning or so (Iā€™m retired). I am refreshed after both stints of sleep.

A curious observation, I weigh myself when I wake up the first time and then again when I awake the second time. Unfailingly my weight will drop from 0.6 to 1.4 pounds from the first sleep session till end of the second. Amount depends on the length of the second sleep session.

#11

I definitely donā€™t feel like taking naps. I currently feel that I need more sleep. I also work an outdoor job and things are a little slow moving in NJ right now! Iā€™m curious what my sleeping needs are and how I feel once the weather gets better and Iā€™m busier with work.

(Mollyann Hesser) #12

For 50 years Iā€™ve been a chronic insomniac, never sleeping more than 3 hours in 24. After going keto, Iā€™ve upped my hours to 7-9 hours a night.

Itā€™s amazing!

(Allie) #13

@Mollyann_Hesser thatā€™s a fantastic result!! :star_struck:

(Shelly Poetter) #14

me too how weird is that. Just this morning down 1.9 pounds in 3 hours.

(traci simpson) #15

Iā€™m sleeping worse now then before I started KETO. I seem to toss and turn all night long and wake up looking worn out. I go to bed the same time every night and wake up the same. No trouble falling asleep just donā€™t get the rest that I need.

(Jody) #16

This is where Iā€™m at too Traci :frowning:

I think itā€™s work stress for me. I am looking forward to the warmer weather so I can garden, and pull weeds at night wandering around the yard, this is more relaxing to me than trying to meditate.

(traci simpson) #17

Itā€™s awful! I just want to sleep!

(Allie) #18

Yes this is me too.

(Scott) #19

I am in a rut and wake at 2:45 am. I read a bit and usually fall back at 3:30 am. I then wake at 4:30 am and get up to run and workout (gym is on my running route). I feel good so I guess it is not worth stressing over. This is my first week of daily workouts so I will need to see how I feel when I settle in. I fall asleep within a minute of laying down.

(PJ) #20

This ā€œtwo-cycle sleepā€ was allegedly more common historically. If you search for sleep experimentation youā€™ll see thereā€™s lots of people experimenting with variations on sleep.

Not counting sleep interruptions due to health or shift in diet sometimes, I do best if I let myself sleep as my body chooses (Iā€™m not working right now) which is usually in the 90 minute sleep cycles or so, so itā€™s usually 4.5 hours and a nap for 3 hours later (or simply after being awake and calm for 30-90 minutes), or other combinations (6 and 1.5) that usually about to about 5, 90-minute cycles. I remember my dreams better, and I think I do better getting deep sleep at the front of the cycles, and I wake up more ā€˜alertā€™ than when I sleep long all the way through (also tend to have less discomfort from laying in the same position too long).