Shoulder tendonitis and keto or carnivore diet

#51

Proven being what then? Thanks

#52

Lots of things, proven meaning things that are proven to help vs things that are considered fringe that may or may not, I gave you a couple in my original reply.

Healing Peptides are amazing, for joints, Nandrolone (assuming your a dude) which you’re not going to get from a mainstream doc. They’d rather surgerize you.

#53

I hear EPAT is as natural as it gets. It breaks down scar tissue allowing the body to reheal. Its been used for years for plantar fasciitis and kidney stones. However I don’t believe all the great results I see written on the PT’s website

#54

well I had neck surgery from herniated disc and budging disc back like 22 yrs ago now? and I know this is not tendonitis or what you have and are dealing with but like Ifod said, inflammation down in your entire body makes a big difference so yea, you go Keto or ZC you will improve your body but I WATCH me very carefully and DO NOT do any lifting above my head which strains my neck, I am careful lifting heavier items cause for me on my issue, I can do alot of damage to this issue I have and I kinda think tendonitis is one of those things that is VERY physical issue on how you hurt the tendons and have that combo of lower inflammation to help you improve your movements.

I say yes, go for it to help improve yourself but be very wary of ‘overdoing’ the area that hurts with real physical issues that truly can take you into a worse area.

So physical real issues one is dealing with can’t be corrected by food but a healthier body can support improvement for issues like tendons and more but at that same time, physical issues are real hard core issues your food menu won’t fix overnight ever.

So I live with ‘watching me’ and my neck, upper shoulder area and I know my limitations to take care of me, but I feel my heathier body thru eating this way sure has given me a better stance against what I face, it could do that for you.

wishing you the best

#55

I assume ZC is zero carbs?
With my shoulder issues any upper body workout is extremely difficult and even lower body exercises are difficult because of the many angles you have to put your arm through. Sometimes even holding the steering wheel high or turning on the radio is painful. It’s not an option for me right now.

#56

I wont take injections of any kind anymore. I had cortisone once and only once for this condition. Down the road who knows what destruction these and other injections can do. If they work for you that’s great but not for me. I know of many who’ve had injections in their knee and other joints and down the road their conditions only worsened. Do not take offense to this. Surgery can be even worse.
I have found if you do the right thing for your body the body heals itself

#57

You’re comparing apples and bowling balls, peptide injections are done subcutaneously into belly fat with an insulin syringe. You literally don’t feel it at all. Not even remotely the same as a cortisone shot. No shortage of studies on the peptides showing their efficacy over many years now.

#58

How many injections did you have and what were the results?

I found this when I googled collagen peptides
Collagen peptides are used for aging skin and osteoarthritis. They are also used for osteoporosis, brittle nails, muscle strength, and many other purposes, but there is no good scientific evidence to support most of these uses.

Again but if it works for you thats what counts

(Ethan) #59

They think it’s from overuse. It happened in late 2020–first one shoulder and then the other. It got so bad that I was unable to lift my infant son. I had to go through physical therapy in 2021, which helped and healed the left shoulder completely, but the right one still has issues. I had x-rays done, which basically showed nothing.

(Bob M) #60

I’ve torn supraspanitus in both shoulders. Had one surgically repaired, but the recovery from that was so difficult (one of the 2 times I’ve gained weight on keto) and lengthy, I decided not to have surgery on the other one.

Had a “crunching” sound in my non-operated-on shoulder. Started taking collagen peptides After a while (a long time, really), that sound has gone away. While there’s no way to repair my supraspanitus, as it was completely torn, I have not been hindered by my shoulder and do body weight training twice per week. I credit collagen peptides with a lot of that, as I was keto without them, and it wasn’t until after taking collagen peptides that repair happened in earnest.

I’m not allowed to perform any type of overhead work, so I avoid that and exercises similar to that.

As for scientific evidence to support collagen peptides, those are going to be difficult studies, as you’ll need a long time. But there are some:

We could use more.

#61

You use it until your problem is resolved, that can be very different for different people. People fixing digestion and leaky gut typically resolve pretty quickly, usually within a couple weeks. When I use it for my elbow tendonitis when it acts up and won’t stop It usually starts behaving again within a week. When I really push my shoulders and they start it’s typically a vials worth to get them back, but relief typically begins within a week.

The go-to dose is usually 250mcg 2x/day. I personally use 500mcg 2x/day, but I’m also a 230lb dude.

The issue with collagen peptides is that you get everything they give you with all complete proteins. Collagen peptides are a protein with the tryptophan missing. So whether it be real protein or just a protein powder, you’re getting all the same benefits (and) you now have real complete protein that your body can use otherwise. The difference that some nitpick is the amino concentration of glycine which is high in the collagen peptides, which is very cheap to supplement in otherwise. Way more bang for your buck to just use a real protein powder and then add in glycine (if) you even wanted to.

#62

I disliked salads even as a vegetarian, my only salad had no dressing just a bunch of warm fried onions :smiley: I had 40g net carbs allowance back then. If I eat raw vegs, that’s just grabbing a small amount of them and that’s it, never understood the charm of mixing and adding water or even dressing. But each to their own.
Balsamic vinegar is too sugary, yes but apple cider vinegar is very low-carb and we only use little so it’s quite fine for keto or relaxed carnivore for condiments. I use some vinegar as I eat picked eggs, it’s an insignificant amount of carbs, really. My sugar free mustard is way worse and I use more of that… I surely reach 0.4g net carbs with that sometimes :smiley: Still matters little in my books.

Figure out what is your goals and how your body responds to your food. You don’t need to follow some strict set of rules without a good reason… I know that it’s best for me to get really little net carbs from non-animal sources, I am unsure about lactose but eggs and meat carbs never bother me. So I try to eat accordingly. While others need to avoid a bunch of plants, no matter how low-carb or little amount.

#63

Ethan & Bob M
I have a partial tear of the left shoulder rotator cuff (supraspinatous) from years ago. Foolishly went to the gym one day without warming up with light weights immediately started decline bench and felt the snap and warm feeling in that shoulder. Barely got the weights back, drove home, iced it and waited two weeks before I could get a drs appt with my family physician. Had difficulty lifting my arm or putting it behind my back. Sleep was barely tolerable. After the MRI, I saw a shoulder specialist who conservatively gave me home exercises to do with resistance bands, didn’t help much. Next appt with him he gave me a shot of cortisone which immediately resolved my symptoms till this day. Occasionally I will get a twinge in that shoulder. This past August 2021 is when the out of the nowhere pain started in my right shoulder (calcific tendonitis) and now wouldn’t you know my left shoulder (partial suprasinatous tear) is occasionally causing me pain although not nearly as bad as the right shoulder

Tears of the rotator cuff are most definitely caused by overuse and or bad form or too much weight being lifted.

My shoulder dr told me years ago ligaments and tendons are like rubber bands and when we get older than around 30 years of age those rubber bands begin to stiffen.

Why do you think top athletes go downhill after 30? Its because of the aging process. Some of us do better than others, genetically blessed or just doing things better but we all begin to age after 30.

My dr told me NOT to lift heavy weights any more after the supraspinatous tear, but I felt so good after the one cortisone shot that before long I was back in the gym up to my old tricks. I shouldve listened.

Probably overuse, bad positioning and heavy weights all contributed to my calcific tendonitis but I enjoyed the “pump” I felt after each session in the gym 45 minutes to and hour and a half.

Inadvertently back in the days when I worked out 5-6 days a week I was on the carnivore or ketogenic diet. About a half hour to an hour after a workout I was so hungry I made sure I had cooked turkey legs, thighs and chicken that I would devour, waiting for me at home.

#64

Shinita
Apple cider vinegar being fruit based should be off limits on carnivore diet no?
I love salads they keep me regular in a world where everyone I know has difficulty pooping and some have had colon cancer. The idea of raw meat or raw eggs makes me sick. Although my mom told me she used to mix a raw egg yolk in my Gerbers baby cereal along with some whole milk and blackstrap molasses. I had that cereal for years. Yes one must figure out what works best for them and modify accordingly.

#65

Of course it’s not a carnivore item but most carnivores don’t do absolutely zero non-animal food. TINY amounts, spices, condiments aren’t the same as eating a salad or something. Everyone should decide how far they want to go, what works them best. I see absolutely no reason to be super strict, I tried stricter styles than what I like to do normally and it didn’t seem a good deal, restrictions without gain for me. There are a lot of experimenting on/near carnivore, people want to figure out what causes problems and what doesn’t.
If you want really strict carnivore, eat only beef or maybe other ruminant meat and that’s it.
The next step is only meat.
Meat, eggs, dairy and even spices, condiments to compliment the staples and processed meat, coffee and maybe tea(?) is the most relaxed carnivore style as far as I know. (At least in my circles, surely some people only consider some strict style “carnivore”.) Not everything on it is actually carnivore but they are just accents. Not standalone food items.

If you have a good reason to eat salads, I surely won’t say you shouldn’t… I can’t possibly know what is good for you and what you are able and willing to do at this point. I couldn’t even do keto many years ago, I had problems right away. My woe evolved and I changed a lot. I always try to do the best realistic woe for me (realistic = I can actually stick to it without outside force. at least now and then).
It’s very fine to converge to a woe that we can’t do yet, having crutches, off days when it’s unavoidable… I did that a lot. And we may learn that our goal isn’t good for us and go into another direction. It never happened with me (except my short term trials when I went too strict to see what happens), I just go lower and lower with my carbs and cut off more and more food items. But some people add back things.

#66

Come on don’t you ever miss chocolate ice cream or even pork fried rice…lol

#67

You inject this into your belly fat or take a dose by mouth ? Im confused
Where do you get this?

#68

You inject belly fat, it’s systemic. You can either get it prescribed by an optimization doc, or buy it yourself for about 1/4 of the cost. My wife has hers prescribed, I buy mine myself. Peptide Sciences is a pretty well respected source. Some are freaked because when you self source they have to label it as either “research use only” or “not for human consumption”, it’s a legal thing (loophole really), it’s the same stuff.

#69

You say when your shoulder acts up, has it been diagnosed? Did you have an MRI? What are your symptoms? Thanks

#70

Two bad AC joints and had one partial rotator tear. I’ve had quite a few naps in the MRI! Also lost track of all the spinal injections.