Severe gut issues

(John Bradshaw) #1

Hello forum members,
I wonder if some collective experience might help solve an ongoing problem.

My wife, in her late 60’s, has very debilitating gut problems. She has had them for years. She was on very heavy antipsychotic meds for 38 years. Dr Chris Palmer and Dr Westman have, through their excellent teaching on Keto, helped her to be drug free for nearly two years. But I’m sure that nearly 40 years of these very strong drugs have ruined her gut.

She is very strict carnivore, and it does help tremendously, compared to eating veges etc. But she still gets lots of wind and burping and is often doubled over with gut pain.

Here’s another very puzzling piece of information:
On some days she can be relatively normal, but if we go for a drive in the car, within 10mins, her gut is terrible with pain. This has happened too many times just to be coincidence. It is cause and effect.

We have seen steak and butter gal and Rebecca heishman experiences etc, but we still can’t figure out what is happening.

We have gone to countless mainstream Drs and they just want to cut pieces out of her…randomly. One Dr says this, another says that. We have seen naturopaths, same guessing game.

Has anyone on the forum come across similar problems and have a solution? Any good links to watch that might be helpful?

Thx for your input.

(Cathy) #2

I am sorry your wife is and has been suffering with this for so long. The only thing I can think of is to start including lots of good quality bone broth. It is thought that the collagen has healing properties.

Sure hope there is some help for her.

(Edith) #3

The only thing I can think of is histamine intolerance.

Please do a search on the forum. There have been a fair number of discussions about it.

I did a carnivore trial several years ago for about seven months. My histamine intolerance got way worse during the trial and by the end of the seven months I could no longer eat beef. Within an hour of eating beef I would get terrible heart palpitations, stomach cramps, and diarrhea. Once I added some vitamin c containing foods back into my diet the histamine intolerance improved fairly rapidly. Vitamin C is necessary for production the enzyme, diamine oxidase, that helps the body break down histamine.

These articles are a good introduction.

(Bob M) #4

Bone broth is a pretty good idea. I listened to a podcast of a women who had tons of issues, and drank nothing but bone broth for an insanely long time - 1 year? It solved all her issues.

The carnivore diet should help, but I wonder if maybe something more is necessary? I’d try a few days to a week with bone broth only, to see if there’s any benefit. The trouble would be getting enough bone broth to drink for that time.

The drive in the car causing issues is a troubling one. Not sure what that means.

(John Bradshaw) #5

@VirginiaEdie Thx so much Virginia. This looks very interesting and promising. We have Georgia Ede’s latest book where she discusses histamines. I haven’t got around to reading it yet, but it is now on the list for today!

(John Bradshaw) #6

@clackley @ctviggen I had completely forgotten about bone broth. Thx so much for the reminder. Shall definitely try it.

Is there a good home made recipe, or can a recommendation be made for a store bought one?

Thx heaps!

(KM) #7

Any car, or only a specific one?

(John Bradshaw) #8

Any car

(Ethan) #9

Seeing as the Drs can’t figure it out the answer isn’t obvious so maybe best to cover multiple with bases using good things.

Bone broth is mentioned and that’s good

Histamine release. Taking quercetin everyday helps. I do take 2 every morning this time of year cause all the pollen gives me skin issues and it works great. I take these, but I’m sure there’s lots of good ones.

https://www.swansonvitamins.com/p/swanson-premium-quercetin-bromelain-250-78-mg-250-caps?otherSize=SW732

Acid reflux. I used to get that. I take Tri-salts in water every morning. 1/2 tsp of Tri-Salts + 1/4 tsp of aluminum free baking soda. I add vanilla extract + stevia and its really good.

All easy and inexpensive things which may well help your wife and certainly won’t do any harm.

(Peter - Don't Fear the Fat ) #10

I’ve suffered from IBD ulcerative colitis (now much improved on carnivore) and this might be very different to your issue but I’ll add to this thread as who know, it might help.
You could look at gut permeability and anything that might improve that. Meds are sometimes a problem here.
Also have you had a Calprotectin test? It’s a shot in the dark but might rule things out.

(John Bradshaw) #11

@Pjam "Also have you had a Calprotectin test?"

Never heard of it.

(Peter - Don't Fear the Fat ) #12

It measures inflammation in the Gut and can determine IBD, IBS or Crohn’s

(Denise) #13

First, I just want to let you know I am 72, female, and been prescribed Clonazepam for over 35 years, last 2 have been for a taper I was so happy to learn from other folks getting wise to the benzos.

I think they are anti-psychotic as well, but I can’t say for sure at this moment. Your wife and yourself are so blessed to have gotten rid of that stuff. Best thing I’ve ever done in my life, maybe 2nd best, but definitely a very close 2nd :slight_smile:

I do a lot of “searching” with my online faves on gut issues, just lately though as first and only experience was pancreatitis. I do believe most of my issues are my body’s having to heal from the benzos, and I am keto, bordering on Carnivore. Maybe that’s what ketovore is :thinking:

Ken Berry is good on a lot of things, and is Carnivore now himself. Everyone has their opinion on “online” info, and I am sort of my own guinea-pig. I have to try things, and be honest with myself on whether or not I give it a good chance. I can waver, but usually I don’t.

Does your wife do any supplements? I do magnesium but only a minimum mg, like 250 for me. I think I’ve gotten a lot of healing from just magnesium, but now I don’t seem to need it any longer. I think I have an even cleaner diet, may be the reason. We all are different so being careful is most important, when trying things, “natural” or not :wink:

(Denise) #14

I have to watch what clothing I’m wearing, like too tight of jeans, or other pants around my mid-section. I really think crawling around on the floor re-connecting all my computer wires did not help when I had the pancreatitis attack. Now I’m so careful with that, can’t stand tight pants now for fear of that ever coming back :woozy_face:

#15

The car thing is strange, but maybe it has a psychological element? I had a dodgy tummy a couple of times after a holiday, when I was looking online to plan our next break, & then found the same thing happened every time I looked at holiday cottages online, any time! Happened too often to be a coincidence…
My sister was car sick when she was young, every time we went to my Nan’s, she missed out on cake when we arrived, it got so all we’d have to say to her was chocolate cream buns & she’d be sick!
Just a thought…hope you can get some answers…

(Peter - Don't Fear the Fat ) #16

So was mine! trouble was every time she was sick I was too

(Bean) #17

Not the OP, but as a histamine intolerant carnivore, I suggest homemade meat-and-bone broth, cooked and frozen within 24 hours.

I use silicon ice cube trays, some larger silicon molds, and old yogurt cups to freeze. Store them in a freezer bag.

(Alec) #18

My advice:

  1. Join Ken Berry’s online forum and see if you can get any ideas from that forum, and also attend his Q&As and try to get a question in there. He tends to be much more helpful if you do this as a member of his forum ie pay him a bit each month! This is not expensive, and there is no ongoing commitment.
  2. You could try to get a one-on-one consultancy with Prof Bart Kay. He is a bit of a madman in his videos, but he does know his stuff, and I would trust him with stuff like this. He may not be cheap. Bart is based in NZ.
  3. Another person to look for a consultation is Stephen Thomas (does a lot of YT vids with Richard Smith). I think he’s a naturopath, but again, he really knows his stuff, and he does have “patients”. Stephen is based in the UK.

All these folks are deeply carnivore, so they will understand the nuances going on here. They all have a lot of experience consulting people with difficult issues. If something is a simple issue, they are not asked! I personally would not waste my time on conventional medics, I just don’t think they will know enough to resolve this.

Good luck! Sorry I don’t have any concrete suggested solutions, but I have never experienced anything like this.

(Alec) #19

Additional idea:
4. Approach Dr Shawn Baker’s company Revero. They are made for folks like you.

(Denise) #20

Thank you @Alecmcq, I think these suggestion are excellent for me right now :wink: I don’t have to belong every month, it’s how I do X and Youtube, but I use youtube so much, I just auto-pay.

Thank you also for the names of folks I didn’t know of at all, I will take a look this a.m. I am so with you on the conventional docs. Sadly, I am tied to them forever because of my pacemaker, on my 3rd one now. I have the 3rd degree AV Node block, with is not arterial, but the electrical part. I haven’t ever been told different, or that it has anything at all to do with my arteries.

I like Berry, so I’ll go by there as you’re right, I might get a question answered and I’ll keep it simple :wink: