Seed oils and a discussion with my 17 yo son

#1

Good day everyone! My 17 year old son and I have been discussing the potential harms of a high concentration of seed oils on our bodies. I’ve been looking for studies on this subject. He is open minded and tends to believe me, but I would like to back up what I tell him with actual science. :grinning:

I’ve found a number of videos, but not papers or studies. I did search this forum, but perhaps I have missed something since I haven’t found much. If you have a name or a link of/to someone who discusses seed oils and their potential harm to us, I would greatly appreciate it if you would post them here. Thus far, my searches on line have been pretty useless.

I do own The Great Cholesterol Myth and The Keto Cure books which have some information, but I’m looking to links to studies and printable info that spells things out for us. So, if something pops into your head, please share. :grinning:

Thank you for any help!!!

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #2

There is a YouTube video by a physician named Chris Knobbe who, if I recall correctly, mentioned some studies in his lecture. Tucker Goodrich’s Web site might also have documentation, I don’t know.

Take a look at Nina Teicholz’s book, The Big Fat Surprise. She’s another person who’d have documentation, if anyone does.

#3

there is alot ‘of extra click links’ to study links that show in this info about seed oils so you can further extra info into the studies mentioned and more.

(Joey) #4

Excellent suggestion. Her book is heavily footnoted and worth adding to your collection.

Of course, every parent struggles with that 17 year old son discussion. And don’t be surprised if he already knows everything about seed oils from chats with his friends behind the school.

#5

Thank you! Oh, I have Nina Teichol’s book, so I’ll check that too. :grinning:

#6

Thank you! I will check this out soon. I really appreciate your help!

#7

Thanks! This is my youngest son and he is the most open to what I have been telling him for the last few years. I like to find the science behind what I say though, as I have taught him to check sources and not just believe what he hears. :grin:

#8

key to an entire truthful knowing life of what happens around us to make us an informed balanced knowing human being…I love this :slight_smile: What we do with that is personal but knowing is truth and we make options off that thru our entire lives! You are doing so well making the next gen. smarter and in the know to think for themselves, research as needed, which is what the future requires. cool

#9

Thank you. Social media, videos, TV, and advertising is full of untruth. It is alarming how much “truth” is absorbed through these false sources! My older boys are also pretty good at doing the research before believing what they are told. While they tend to agree with me in regards to diet, I think they haven’t bothered to do their own research yet. My youngest is, so that pleases me. :slightly_smiling_face:

My husband is stuck in 70’s science and, while he has altered his views a little bit, refuses to give up a heavy carb diet. He avoids animal fat like it is the plague. But I refuse to use vegetable oils in anything, so he eats what we have. Our boys have to decide for themselves, they aren’t babies anymore.

My husband is lean and runs 6 - 8 miles 6-7 days a week, although he snacks constantly. He appears healthy, though.

#10

Yup NEW adults need to know that what comes on their phones isn’t always a reality :slight_smile: so feel ya on that one!! ugh

hard to teach old dogs new tricks, til they ‘feel they require’ new tricks so I get ya on that one too HAHA

(Bob M) #12

The problem will be finding studies. Most are epidemiological, which are generally useless. There are quite a few mouse studies, for instance studies of how saturated fat or polyunsaturated fat affect weight of mice. The problem with any mouse study is that it’s unclear as to how relevant this is to humans.

It’s one of the most difficult areas of study.

#13

I think you may be right, but I can hope. :grinning:

#14

true but were seed oils processed ever part of life?

key point for ‘those of us on real food’ and then even in this day and age, the ‘real food’ as been GMO’d for extra sweetness and pest control longevity and more so ???

kinda usless when think of it all in today vs. real?

just a thought on it :slight_smile: what ARE we really studying here in the long term of full truths??

again just chatting it all to ‘fit some’ kind of box that won’t ever be ‘fit into’ ya know

(Bob M) #15

It’s just I ate keto for a long time before I learned about seed oils. Any store-bought salad dressing? Seed oil, even if it says “olive oil” on it. Any mayo that doesn’t cost a fortune, seed oil. Olives from the local store, packed in sunflower oil. “Fresh” anchovies packed in oil, the oil is sunflower oil. Eating chicken wings out? Fried in seed oils. Eating anything fried/seared out? Likely fried/seared in seed oils.

As you say, one thing that’s true is we are well past where we should be eating oils, as if you’re eating mainly animals, you’re not eating oils.

(Alec) #16

Here’s the problem though… we know that most (maybe 80%?) of studies are wrong. Largely because they are funded/created by people who want a specific outcome. So we start a debate on the value of reading those papers as they could well be (quite possibly are) misleading or wrong.

So, you can’t trust what other people tell you, you can’t trust what you read online, you can’t trust the scientific papers… what the hell do you trust?

If you do find some papers, I hope that you are reading and judging them very carefully eg looking and analysing the actual data, not just relying on the conclusions and summary as these are very often biassed and bear no relation to the actual data. I am getting interested in the study of agnotology.

I have come to the conclusion that the best way of finding what resembles truth is to find someone who you trust who is great at analysing scientific papers. For this in food science, I turn to Dr Zoe Harcombe.

So, what does Zoe say about seed oils? I am reading through her site (I am a subscriber) and although it seems clear that she does not like the poly/mono, she tends to focus on real foods, and her usual points are around that sat fat is unjustly vilified. I couldn’t find any specific study analyses that addressed the specifics of the seed oil question (are they ok or not).

Not sure I have been much help. :man_facepalming:

(Rebecca ) #17

:rofl:

#18

True, there don’t seem to be any really good studies, but there is information out there to shows that the rise in health issues tracks with the rise in the use of seed oils as well as gains and processed foods. I think that’s where I end up, that there is some evidence seed oils may be bad for us and weren’t part of the human diet until the modern age.

I do find that they (seed oils) go bad quickly and remember in years past opening a container of seed oil and thinking it smelled off or rotten. We (my son and I) continue to discuss this. He also knows that highly processed junk in the stores might taste good, but be poor food choices. My whole family has heard that a million or more times from me. :laughing: I constantly emphasize that eating real food is the only healthy choice.

Thank you to everyone for your help in our discussions!!

(Omar) #19

I do not tell my son this is good or this is bad for simple reason that children at certain age sometimes they do the opposite(not all of them)

So in this case, I would ask questions and pretend that I have no clue about the answer.

For example I ask how do they extract the oil from the seed?

If he does very little research, he will find that they use hexene (a solvent close in chemical structure to car gasoline) to maximize the amount of oil extracted.

So I would ask question rather than tell him because I my self could be wrong.

Back to the topic : I will not consume any substance that petroleum chemicals are used in the process of making it regardless of what the research says. Including commercial olive oils.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #20

I’m not certain we can put the blame exclusively on either sugar or on seed oils, because they entered the market within fifty years of each other. If I have the chronology correct, cottonseed oil started to be sold as a foodstuff in the early nineteenth century. Cheap, industrially-refined sugar hit the market in the middle of that century, with the advent of soda pop and the confectionery industry, and Joslin started noticing diabetes cases at Massachusetts General about twenty years later.

Given Nina Teicholz’s account of how the fast-food industry is having trouble with seed oils (build-up that is difficult to eradicate, uniforms spontaneously combusting during cleaning, and so forth), I can’t believe they are good for us. The American Heart Association’s recommendations to use seed oils began, coincidentally enough, after Crisco Oil made a major donation in 1948 that put the organisation on the map.

I just read something that suggested olive oil was being consumed as a foodstuff by the mid-sixteenth century. Certainly Benjamin Franklin mentions it as an ingredient in salad dressing in the eighteenth century. Its PUFA content is a lot lower than that of the industrial seed oils, however, so it is perhaps not surprising that there were no noticeable ill effects from consuming it. Teicholz says that in classical antiquity, the Greeks and Romans used olive oil exclusively as a lamp oil and a cosmetic; their cooking fats were primarily butter and lard.

#21

yes this is the final basic of it all and I so agree. I mean anything that has to be ‘‘changed’’ in a way (within reason of course) to ‘make food of some sort’ really just ain’t right LOL I mean I get smashing/pressing a real apple to get apple juice kinda but if one then 'adds in the manufactured ‘extras’ like thru chem process and more and all those fake things, then we got issues for our bodies. That shows us big truths.

A teaspoon of olive oil frying a chicken breast ain’t gonna do ‘big harm’ but if one eats tons of oils in fake foods like, Let Go My 'Eggo or other boxed processed stuff then the issues escalate.

real whole food first. can’t go wrong there for a great start.

shop perimeter of a grocery store and even right there we gain alot of pluses to our lives.

simple easy changes to basics. real food just like you said!!