Science Fiction novel accurately describes nutritional epidemiology


(Dan) #1

From the final page of the Sci-fi novel “Collapsing Empire” by John Scalzi… Double checked, this wasn’t intended as a commentary on nutritional epidemiology!

“That’s the human brain,” Attavio VI said. “It creates patterns when there aren’t any. Imagines causality when there is none. Imagines a narrative where none exists. It’s the design of the brain itself. It’s primed to lie”

“And primed to believe the lie.”

With all the recent news coverage of the latest weak ass epidemiology, this really caught my attention!


(Running from stupidity) #2

He’s smashing Ancel Keys, I suspect :slight_smile:


#3

And we were just talking about Scalzi on another thread! I’m impatiently waiting for the next book in this series, loved Collapsing Empire.

I just finished a book called Get Well Soon: History’s Worst Plagues and the Heroes Who Fought Them by Jennifer Wright (can highly recommend, it was very good). One of the plagues she describes is cholera and I found such a parallel there also. There was a doctor named John Snow (yes really) who essentially proved, or at least strongly suggested, that it was water-borne by tracing all the cases from an outbreak to a single water pump. (Londoners probably already know this story.) It was the era of the miasma theory, that people get sick from bad smells, and The Lancet ridiculed him. In fact, they kept on ridiculing him long after further outbreaks had been prevented by removing the handle on that pump and also telling everyone in London to boil their water. He wasn’t publicly exonerated until after he died, which IMHO is too late. So, even in the era before the pharma industry and malpractice insurance, the medical authorities were no good at admitting they’ve been wrong.


(Running from stupidity) #4

At least it’s got the “h” in there. (Speaking of authors I detest, GRR “never use one word where 900 will fit” Martin is right up there.)

His too, I suspect.


#5

We’ll just have to agree to disagree on that, sir. Otherwise I may start quoting MP at you again.


(KCKO, KCFO 🥥) #6

And the journal is still questionable in my opinion. I know it is considered one of the best ones, but I never can bring myself to trust it.


(Diane) #7

@Dhoward your quote reminded me of something I learned while studying linguistics.

A pidgin is a grammatically simplified form of communication that developes between two or more groups without a language in common. When children grow up speaking a pidgin, their brains will impose a complex, complete grammar and turn the pidgin into a language called a creole. I find this an astonishing and wondrous ability!

So, the human brain is primed for pattern recognition in order to reduce a chaotic universe to a manageable data set and not go completely bonkers with information overload. It’s a survival mechanism and a wonderful ability. But it’s important to recognize the limitations inherent in this tendency and consciously compensate for them. Harmful stereotypes are one example. The urge to downplay or ignore information that doesn’t agree with my preconceptions is another.


(Diane) #8

I listened to Nina Teicholz on the The Joe Rogan Experience podcast. (Really great podcast, just be aware, Joe does let slip the occasional mother fucker). Nina read extraordinary amounts of dietary fat research before writing The Big Fat Surprise: Why Butter, Meat and Cheese Belong in a Healthy a Diet.

On the podcast, Nina admits to having a real problem trusting ANY expert advice anymore. She states that governments and institutions are not a great mechanism for integrating new information and changing their advice. They are better geared to maintaining a status quo. So unless one can read ALL the research (and who can really do that) and because you can’t trust the experts anymore (since the one area where Nina did read ALL the research showed how completely wrong the expert advice was with regards to dietary fat), what is one supposed to think? What is one supposed to do? It leaves me in a very unsettled state of existence, yet happy and grateful to finally be here, eating Keto.


(Dan) #9

Scalzi is a new SF favorite. Trying to catch up on his earlier works. Loved “Red Shirts”!


(Diane) #10

Yep. Loved it!


(Dan) #11

Yes, and the quote was focused (I believe) on unintentional bias and meaningless correlations, but we are also seeing a lot of just plain fraud and dishonesty… For example…


(Running from stupidity) #12

Funny way to spell “constant stream” :slight_smile:

I like some of the episodes, really hate others.[1] I suspect the fact that I have very little clue about pop culture might not help me here :slight_smile: I don’t auto-download them, just look at the episode and see if I think I’ll be interested.

[1] For example, the Lance Armstrong on was appalling for the first 20 minutes at which point I deleted it. Totally sucking up to the bloke.


(Diane) #13

Yeah, he puts out a lot of episodes. I don’t end up listening to many. I did really like the episodes with Nina Teicholz and Dom D’Agostino.


(Running from stupidity) #14

They’ve been downloaded and are in the playlist, but it’s a BIG playlist, and I like to space things out so I’m not binging on particular podcasts, so they’re a bit away. (also, they’re always really long, Joe’s podcasts.) His ones with Zack Bitter and Shawn Baker were also really useful.

It’s also a very eclectic playlist, so I get all sorts in there, which breaks things up and helps. That’s probably the ADHD talking :slight_smile:


(Diane) #15

These are now added to my playlist. Thanks for the suggestions!


(KCKO, KCFO 🥥) #16

Wow, more sifi fans. Thanks for the suggestions of new things to read. I’ve been going back and reading things I read years ago. It will be nice to discover some new writers. I like fantasy but lately all the new stuff seems so depressing to me.


#17

If you like fantasy and haven’t read Michael J. Sullivan yet, I’d recommend his work. Not depressing (IMO anyway) and there are 9 books in the series, I’d recommend them in order of publication rather than by chronology of the story. If you’re into audiobooks, that’s even better, the narrator they chose did a masterful job, you just get sucked in.


(Nathan Toben) #18

“The only time to eat diet food is while you’re waiting for the steak to cook.” - Julia Child


(Diane) #19

Yep. I concur with your recommendation. I found these had a lot of humor mixed in with the adventure.