Say it isn't so. I gave up coffee, now I hear I should give up tea

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(THERESA PITTS) #1

When I started Keto, i was a full blown coffee/caffeine addict. I successfully weaned myself from coffee, because I didn’t like it without some type of creamer. HWC was fine, but I drank at least a pot of coffee a day and that would be way too much HWC. So, my next best option was hot tea. Easy to fix, no creamer needed. I thought I had it made. Now, I just heard Doc Muscles say that black tea is insulogenic. Wwwhhhaaaattt??? Just damn. And, of course, there is no way for me to tell if it is spiking my insulin or not. I’m not diabetic, but I am trying to lose weight. I’m down 20 lbs since March, but it is very slow going. Anybody else eliminate tea and saw any difference in their progress?

(Keto in Katy) #2

Do you feel great and have energy? If so, keep doing that. There’s a lot of opinionated bullshit out there. Do your thing and be happy.

#3

Being a heavy coffee drinker since high school, I could never imagine. It would be way too hard to give up! I never liked the creamy drinks and always studied with espresso. When I started keto, my sugar cravings were so bad and I didn’t know how else to increase my fat intake without HWC. It was just too good. And I need it. Now I cut HWC as well since my body desires have changed and I am counting calories more closely. I love coffee too much, have you tried black recently again just to see how it tastes? Coffee over ice seems to help me a lot too.

There are also flavored coffees! I also used to use sugar free syrups for the cravings in the beginning. But again as I adjusted, I didn’t need them any more and started watching my artificial sweeteners like fructose and sucrose.

If anyone else has opinions on this, or how they make their coffee keto I would also love to know this. I had to stop ordering Starbucks venti 5 shot espresso with 6 pumps of sugar free cinnamon dolce and HWC because I was also drinking them 8 times a day.

(KCKO, KCFO 🥥) #4

If you were using nondairy creamers, they are worse for you than the coffee. That stuff shots Triglycerides through the roof.

Green tea is supposed to curb your appetite, if you don’t like its taste you can get it mixed with flavorings. I find pomegranate and green tea a great treat if I am tempted to eat during my fasting windows.

(Allie) #5

On a total segway… but, did you try using MCT powder as a creamer? I’ve found the Quest version works amazingly well.

(Carpe salata!) #6

When I quit sugar I went off coffee because I realised I didnt like it sugarless, it had been ALL ABOUT THE SUGAR - and I was a big coffee drinker, even roasted my own beans. About 18months later I went back to it with no sugar and found that it was now better than with sugar!

Your tastes will change. Maybe even try drinking plain hot water. Or try sage tea (yes hot water with some dried sage in it) - I went onto that for a while.

(Cathrine Helle) #7

I lose slowly as well, but have not considered giving up my coffee or tea. My coffee is almost always black, so creamers are not an issue. But the last four or five months I’ve intensified my intermittent fasting, and even had an extended fast (5 days), and it’s been much more effective than any dietary adjustments I’ve made earlier. I don’t count calories and never have, so I don’t know the numbers, but I make sure all the meals I do have contains good fats.

I’m currently on vacation and not fasting, but will resume once I’m back home :slight_smile:

(Edith) #8

It is possible that back tea is not insulogenic for you since you are not diabetic? Did that comment about tea pertain to all people or people with metabolic troubles?

Edith

#9

I had the same reaction: “oh no, not mt tea!”.
It could be he was talking about people who had great difficulty losing weight on keto, and digging into their food journals led him to that as a factor for them. I’ve seen a study that claimed coffee (black, I’ll assume) actually increases ketone levels. They were likely using subjects who were not IR.

TL;DR If you’re having problems and you know you’re IR or T2D, try eliminating/reducing coffee/tea.

(Todd Allen) #10

I’ve recently switched from drinking mostly black tea to mostly green tea. I read that black teas have a much higher rate of heavy metals contamination than green teas. Green tea is supposed to be higher in beneficial polyphenols some of which may boost insulin sensitivity. It doesn’t have as much caffeine kick and I sometimes have a black tea in the morning, but green gets me through the day.

(Jase) #11

Never reduced coffee or tea. Always black but sometimes add MCT, or coconut oil. Often add cinnamon to coffee and since reading the salt fix, regularly add salt to coffee and tea- WOW a new dimension

(James storie) #12

I just bought an aerolatte to blend my coffee, I’m a HWC addict, but I like coffee with butter blended in as well. It’s just a pain to clean my ninja after every cup! Plus, I’m a truck driver, so no ninja on the road! I’ve found that the emotional attachment I have to coffee is definitely HWC driven.

(KCKO, KCFO 🥥) #13

Made me google.

(Jane Reed) #14

I believe Doc Nally said “a lot” of tea.

If you are drinking moderate amounts and are still doing well, KCKO. If you are not doing well, it still might be on account of something else. it

#15

When is someone going to spend the money to test foods and their insulin responses? Or have I missed the studies? I know everyone is different yada yada yada but can some of these debates just get settled already? I was curious one time if it was possible La Croix was causing insulin secretion, you know how well that search went right? Same with finding consistent info on artificial sweeteners. It’s 2017 and we still don’t know exactly how much protein is too much in a ketogenic diet? If it makes insulin spike? I find this all very frustrating, mostly because the medical community has known about insulin for almost 100 years. I’m fully willing to admit that maybe this info does exist and I’ve missed it but when I’ve looked all I find is a bunch of conflicting/unscientific bull.

(Cece Blackstock) #16

I just want to toss this out there… everything causes an insulin response… you could “eat a mouthful of gravel” (to quote a very knowledgeable keto dude) and your insulin would increase. It happens in preparation for the whole complex process of feeding yourself! For goodness sake, have your tea man (IMO) :wink:

(James storie) #17

Hahaha! Sorry, did you find it?

(THERESA PITTS) #18

I’ve seen a Insolugenic list on Wikipedia, but it is short and pretty useless for a Keto diet.

(THERESA PITTS) #19

I drink between 4 - 6 6oz cups a day. Wonder if that is considered a lot?

(KCKO, KCFO 🥥) #20

Sure did, I had been wondering this AM if they made smaller hand blending tools as I used my immersion blender to make a cup of coffee. This is perfect will fit in my fav cups. Will be here in two days, gotta love Prime :slight_smile:

Oh and saw a neat video on how to decorate the top of the foam caps too. win-win