Rattle your pitchforks and say #yes2meat


(Doug) #161

“Bad” is in the eye of the beholder. If one’s desire is more that extra ruminants be tended versus having people be free from the conscription, then one will say it’s a good thing. If the group perception was that there was a demonstrable, compelling need for it, then there would be something like a military draft (or other selection process) within the group. As things are now, we’re quite a ways from that.

Somewhat related to that - eventually, population pressure on our planet will substantially sway what is considered okay and not okay, even within groups as large as countries. Overall, I see this as quite an unfortunate thing.


(Ellenor Malik (Ms Pemmicanoid Substance)) #162

Feeding a growing population requires animal agriculture, and more people are urban (id est, disconnected from what needs to be done to feed them) than ever before, which renders animal agriculture on the scale and with the distributed nature required increasingly unlikely without a draught or even having it as a voluntary thing that’s moderately heavily advertised to high school dropouts and able-bodied people who are on disability (I’m both, for what it’s worth).

I wouldn’t mind being pulled away for one to five days a month (as long as I knew which day(s) it was) to (be taught to) tend a local farmer’s animals.


(Doug) #163

How pervasive do you think that feeling is, Ellenor? :slightly_smiling_face:

Yes, certainly - we’re more urban all the time. We’ve got rationing by price, i.e. meat - especially certain cuts of meat - is priced beyond what many can afford. I see this continuing and affecting many more people.


(Ellenor Malik (Ms Pemmicanoid Substance)) #164

Being able bodied and completely unemployable due to being a HS dropout and having the autism is not a fun feeling.

Letting people become disconnected from what needs to be done to feed them is part, but not all, of the cause of the current obesity epidemic. The rest, of course, is the price rationing of and anti-promotion of meat.


(Doug) #165

What are we to do then - enslave people and force them to do what they don’t want to do, in the name of bettering their health? I do feel bad for the many young people who can’t be expected to realize what’s going on, as they don’t get enough exercise and eat way too much processed food and carbohydrates.

I have no doubt, and I’m sorry. You’ve lost over 95 lbs., which is quite an achievement. This is a thing you did, that makes you happier, no?


(Ellenor Malik (Ms Pemmicanoid Substance)) #166

Dude. I lost enough weight to have to drink cream and have to overeat by feels like 35-40% to feel normal. It’s weird as all get-out.

To be clear: conscription in my proposal would be used as a last resort (if the food production system fails).

If my bones hurt when I drink cream, does that mean I should not drink cream?


(Doug) #167

Hard for me to associate hurting bones with drinking cream. :slightly_smiling_face: I could be wrong…

If the food production system fails then we’d see many serious changes - I think most bets would be off at that time. Tending animals (in order to eat) would be looking good to a lot more people then.

I’m not saying that gloom and doom is upon us, unless one is in a part of the world where gloom already is in place or taking over, but the rate of change during my lifetime alone is amazing. “Interesting times,” as they say.