Please watch if you're new

(David Brown) #1

I thought I would post this as lately Ive been seeing alot of posts about cheating, not shedding weight, stalling, feeling bad. On top of this Ive seen advice given that in my opinion is too hardcore for the average person. Watch this with an open mind. This guy gives amazing advice and inspiration in this video. I hope it helps some of you

(Alec) #2

Errant nonsense.

(Charlotte) #3

I tried to be open minded, but as soon as he said “keto cult” I shut it off. Its hard to be open minded and take him seriously when the guy starts of with a biased opinion of keto. Sorry. Not for me. Not to mention I think anyone trying to sell me something loses any credibility because they are pushing their own financial agenda.

(David Brown) #4

I’m sorry but being keto myself and being around other keto people alot of us do have a pack mentality. I can see why others think “cult”. He actually says the keto diet is good if you can stick to it. You’ve missed the message

(Charlotte) #5

I know I missed the point because I didn’t watch the whole thing. :slight_smile: My problem is that its a trainer standing in front of a camera with no real credentials that I personally can’t take seriously and he doesn’t follow this woe, so he’s just not credible to me. This is my own opinion, and I’m sure there are people that could find it helpful, its just not me. :slight_smile: But sincerely thank you for posting that for someone who may find it helpful and informative.

(John) #6

I am not new, but I watched it with an open mind as you requested.

I have read or heard all of the points he makes and considered them when I was first getting started. Many I agree with.

(Alec) #7

The main message was “ease into it” which is a surefire way to make keto NOT work. This guy clearly doesn’t understand the biochemistry that keto is based on. If you are new here please note that the advice in this video is VERY poor and is NOT recommended by folks who understand keto well.

(David Brown) #8

Why cant you ease into keto? Why does starting a journey of keto mean it has to be right now? Having alot of experience I can tell you for sure that if you tell most people that as from tomorrow they are dropping 300 grams of carbs out of their diet they are going to fail big time.

The reason why I posted this is because this guy is a coach to the stars and is very successful at what he does. He’s success story’s are off the chart

(Alec) #9

Sounded like an ignorant bozo to me. No science, just his opinion.

(David Brown) #10

Like your first response you mean?

(Charlotte) #11

I personally jumped all in when I started keto. I went from 80-90% carb intake to <5% overnight. I’m 6 months in 50lbs lost and halfway to my ultimate goal with no thoughts of quitting at all, even after I reach my goal. I was a huge carb addict and for me personally to be successful meant I had to jump all in and remove all the accessibility I had to carbs in my house due to lack of willpower. I even took my teenage son with me grocery shopping to babysit me to make sure I kept the junk out of my cart. Thats what it took until i was adapted then I could go to the store and not buy junk anymore. I was determined. I think far too many people are looking for a quick fix, fast results, unrealistic expectations, and lack the necessary conviction to make this work for them. There is so much involved with the effort and patience of planning and experimenting to find what works for that individual that if they don’t get that instant gratification they begin to have issues. I’m not saying that’s true of all people, but everyone new needs to understand, this only works with patience, experimenting, dedication, determination, and a positive attitude.

(squirrel-kissing paper tamer) #12

Yes, and time.

I think someone who drinks 12 cokes a day could drop the cokes and lose weight. That’s a way to ease into it. I think some people need the discipline of going cold turkey. Whatever works for the person is fine. It can be a big shock for someone who has literally never dieted and always lived on carbs and processed food.

I personally did it cold turkey, suffered for a minute and it’s been fine since then. But I get people who want to ease in. But technically it’s not a keto diet until they’re eating so few carbs that they are using fat for fuel. The more carbs, the less likely that is to happen as much.

(less is more, more or less) #13

I watched the whole video with an open mind. I am unimpressed, to put it mildly.

There’s some merit to what he says, but this clickbaity marketing approach would have decisively turned me off two years ago. I wasn’t looking to get “jacked” for crying out loud, and I wanted solid science behind my effort.

On the positive side, I like his sentiment that eating for health is about changing how you eat forever. However, a good portion of his advice contradicts with our general counsel, in particular, for newbies. Here at KF, we are evidence-based, not “cult” based, as he mocks, and we let the evidence inform our decisions. Whether one should choose cold turkey or gradual is a good discussion to have, though, in general, even the old-timers like Phinney and Westman advocate for cold-turkey. Ironically, people tend to stall at carb creep. Regardless, there’s plenty of old-time regulars here that, despite this video’s warnings, stayed on keto through the cold-turkey phase.

He says he doesn’t care what diet you choose. We do. Even within the Low-carb and Keto community, there’s a lot of wiggle-room, but not enough for low-fat Ornish or South Beach, etc.

My personal take away: if you see a “bro” style marketing as the video’s title frame, keep moving along.

(less is more, more or less) #14

There’s no need to debate this, the transcript is on Youtube:

07:02 We’re going from carbohydrates to ketones.
07:05 You’re good to go.
07:06 Let’s go.
07:07 You think that’s got a likelihood of success?
07:10 Will he lose weight?
07:11 Of course, he will!
07:12 It’s a diet.
07:13 It’s earned its title.
07:14 It’s going to work.
07:15 Long term?
07:17 I doubt it.

[snip]

07:33 You want to stick to the diets?
07:34 Go to something like the Zone Diet.
07:37 30/30/40.

Seriously? Zone Diet? Jeesh.

Sorry, Jeff, I’m doing great long-term. I did the zone diet. Stuck to it. It failed, too and it wasn’t my fault.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #15

I don’t disagree so much with this guy’s actual points, but some of his emphasis feels off to me. There’s a lot of exaggeration in how he says things.

I don’t personally see the problem with easing into any way of eating, and I sometimes wish that some of our newcomers had learned a bit more about keto before jumping in. That said, however, there is no reason not to jump in wholeheartedly, either, as long as you don’t have unreasonable expectations or bite off more than you can chew (so to speak, lol). There is merit in not setting oneself up to fail, certainly.

Personally, I found that, as a sugar addict, it made sense for me to cut out all sweets immediately. I wasn’t prepared to eliminate all carbohydrate, however, so I didn’t worry about that at first, though I quickly ended up going fully keto, simply because I felt so good cutting out the sugar (much to my surprise).

Eating ketogenically has a lot of science behind it, so I do get impatient with some of these personal trainer types who don’t seem to have mastered that part. Not that you have to be a trained scientist in order to grasp the science, but I prefer to listen to people who’ve read a few studies.

Dave Feldman and Ivor Cummins are prime examples of non-scientists who have grasped the science wholeheartedly, not to mention our own @richard, who has actually returned to school to get a degree. And quite apart from their academic qualifications, I’ll listen to Amber O’Hearn, Amy Berger, Siobhan Huggins, and Megan Ramos over this guy any day, because they’ve taken the time to study the science. Even journalists, such as Nina Teicholz and Gary Taubes, have become better nutrition experts than many Ph.D.'s and M.D.'s, because they know the science.

(bulkbiker) #16

Sorry but disagree… if you have problems wiht food addiction as many of us here do then easing yourself out of those addictions is well nigh impossible.
Can an alcoholic ease themselves into drinking slightly less or is it better to go cold turkey and just go for it?
As for his getting someone obese to exercise it is completely pointless until they have lost enough weight that exercise becomes enjoyable… eating needs to be fixed before any “training” starts.
His trainer “bro science” gym bias shows up very well and I hate his shouty demeanour too.

(Richard Morris) #17

I agree with one of his points, nutrition should be a way of eating that you can maintain for life. Short term mentality, “I’ll do this till I lose my weight” is rarely beneficial. That applies to people who think of 2 keto diets, the weight loss version and the maintenance version.

When a ketogenic diet (using diet in it’s correct usage) is followed then satiety is not perverted by hyperinsulinaemia and you can rely on it instead of mistrusting it. Whether you gain or lose weight then is down to the signals you are giving your body. Do weight bearing exercise you’ll gain weight, do aerobic exercise you’ll lose weight. Eat more carbohydrates you’ll store more energy, eat less you’ll store less - but you won’t store none. And the amount you store will be genetically and epigenetically determined.

What he gets wrong is that the mechanism of action of a ketogenic diet is not that it removes the processed junk food from your intake, or that it reduces your intake of calories. The mechanism is it lowers insulin, that enables access to stored fuel as available energy, and a reduction in calories and processed food is a downstream effect.

You can’t floor insulin enough to disinhibit fatty acid oxidation unless you drop carbohydrate intake, and moderate protein. You can’t ease into it and eat 5% less carbs every week till you get to 5% total. Or more accurately … you can but it’s going to be a world of hypocaloric suck. Eat 5% less carbs and you will just have 5% less energy available to you. take 11 weeks to get from 60% to 5% and you’ll have 11 weeks of ARRRGH until it stars to feel good.

Drop all carbs overnight, and after a week or so of upregulation of the mechanism of metabolising fatty acids and you’ll suddenly feel better than you have in a long long while.

(Bunny) #18

I like this guy he thinks like me!

Going from 0 to 60 overnight is a sure fire way to crash and burn if your thyroid is messed up? (in terms of weight loss):

Does Your Thyroid Need Dietary Carbohydrates?

How many published studies from well designed, prospective human trials have shown that impaired thyroid function (i.e., hypothyroidism) occurs on a ketogenic diet? The answer to this question is quick and simple – NONE!

We have established that it takes many weeks to fully adapt to the state of nutritional ketosis, but most of this adaptation is reversed with just a few days of eating 100 grams or more per day of carbohydrates. What sense does it make to be constantly coaxing the body to keto-adapt and then jerking it back to deal with the disposal of high carbohydrate loads? …More

(JJ) #19

Love this quote. It describes much of my adult life and relationship to food, a total crap storm of hypocaloric suck.

Back on point though, yes, I know that cold turkey worked well for me and indeed could not have worked any other way, there was nothing too sucky about it. A day or two of blergh and then a whole new world of well-being opened up to me.

(KCKO, KCFO 🥥) #20

I did the Zone off and on for years. Keto and fasting, IF and EX finally got me where I wanted to be. I went Keto overnight, and did not have keto flu, since I had been eating 35-40% carbs for a long time instead of 55-80% like most other people do. The transition was smooth for me.

I disagree with it isn’t sustainable. You get to eat some of the best tasting foods on the planet, and not feel hungry all day long. Why the heck couldn’t you eat this way forever?