Peanut butter stalls me

#21

It’s a super category term. Just make a more precise sub category to define something more precise to what you want to talk about.

(Charlotte) #22

I have cashew butter as a very occasional treat, maybe 1 tbsp once every couple weeks.

(Todd Allen) #23

Net carbs per 100 g (according to cronometer - usually pretty good for top listed food items)
Peanuts 7.6 g
Almonds 9.1 g
Walnuts 7.0 g
Hazelnuts 7.0 g

(Larry Lacy) #24

I’m not a fan of restricting my calories to far. I don’t believe cico is the end all he all but I think they do matter.

(Full Metal KETO AF) #25

@brownfat My mistake, sorry.

(mole person) #26

It’s not restricting calories if you aren’t hungry. It really makes very little sense to allow a number to tell you how much you need to eat day to day.

(Jill F.) #27

I agree, I have to count calories to loose as well. My target is 1200 calories but many days I eat to satiety and only eat around 900 and feel satisfied. I do not try to eat to a certain limit, just listen to my body. You know what keeps me from losing sometimes? Damn pork skins!!!

(Allie) #28

Yep.
It kills my ketosis.

(Todd Allen) #29

I’ve seen others warn against the high carbs of peanuts. Peanuts and cashews are both legumes and cashews do have a lot of carbs, 26.9 g / 100 g so this might be one source of confusion. Both are easy to over eat. I’m fairly certain I’m not the only one who has eaten an entire 12 oz can of peanuts in the time it takes to drink a beer or a cup of coffee. That exceeds an entire day’s typical keto carb budget. And for those counting it isn’t good for the calorie budget either.

(Chris) #30

Once broke a fast with a pound of walnuts in one sitting. Wasn’t fun, glamorous, or something I’d ever repeat.

(Jay Patten) #31

Just to add a point here… not directed towards anyone in particular, just my 2 cents (from someone who has had a particularly high degree of success from keto).

Real keto is not eating hotdogs and mayonnaise and hoping you lose weight. That’s just “low carb.”

Real keto is about balancing omega 3 and omega 6 fatty acids, eliminating vegetable and seed oils, eating whole, unprocessed foods as much as possible, etc and etc.

Real keto is a lifestyle change, not a temporary, low carb diet.

There are guidelines you need to follow if you want the long term health benefits of a ketogenic diet. Yes… guidelines do in fact need to be followed.

No, a spoonful of natural peanut butter isn’t going to destroy your long term progress. I eat some from time to time myself. But eating Jiff evey day ultimately will because it is hydrogenated (which is one of the things you want to avoid for long-term health).

Keto isn’t just about being in ketosis. Mayo and hotdogs will get you into ketosis… that doesn’t mean your going to be any healthier or live longer.

Feel free to disagree with me on this. By all means, hit up the Atkins bars & Atkins candy section of your grocery store.

We can talk about your failure to thrive later. :wink:

(Todd Allen) #32

Maybe there will come a day when we will be able to find walnuts made from bacon and Carl’s meat pasta in the meatatarian sections of grocery stores.

#33

@Screenack what’s that?

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #34

From the man who defined “nutritional ketosis”:
The Ten Defining Characteristics of a Well-Formulated Ketogenic Diet

(JustGettingStarted) #35

Yes and where do I find it? I’ve searched…

(Larry Lacy) #36

I agree jiff is garbage which is why I was eating one with pure ingredients and no hydrogenated oils. I might give almond butter a try but at the moment I think it’s going to the curb.

(Daisy) #37

Not just stall me, derail me. Not just peanut butter, all nut butter. Just gained over 10 pounds in the last month, all due to a nut butter addiction.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #38

The local “health” food store has machines that let you grind your own peanuts or almonds . . . another place off the list (heavy sigh)! :grin::grin::grin::grin:

(KetoQ) #39

PB may indeed be a staller for some, including myself, but I have found it really useful for maintaining, meaning it really helps me satiate the hunger and keep in a low carb state.

#40

Right, and you’ll notice Phinney (though that’s not published by just him, there are 3 authors on there, by the way) is (and always has been, and has pointed this out in several of his talks a few years ago) very careful to use the term “Well-Formulated Ketogenic Diet”. He isn’t just saying that at random or as a descriptor of all ketogenic diets, he is hyper aware that there are other ketogenic diets that do not fall into the criteria of a, “Well Formulated Ketogenic Diet” (hence you see half way through that article the abreviation is given of WFKD, not KD).

That’s also why he talks about nutritional ketosis specifically, rather than just “ketosis”.

We are talking about super categories vs sub categories, broader vs more precise terms. Hence what I said earlier,

When talking about how broad the term “keto” is. Dr. Phinney has indeed done that, to talk about a “Well Formulated Ketogenic Diet” and “Nutritional Ketosis”.

Though, even what he does isn’t really as narrow and strict as what some others do (he mentions some fruits in his usual diet, the use of sucralose to make ice cream, plenty of dairy usage, etc).