4 days in and I had atrial fibrillation (AF) last night. But I also had about 15mL of red wine that I had to taste, as it was local and the bouquet was amazing. AF started at about midnight and I got it under control at 10am this morning. No hospital visit. I caught about 4 hours sleep, so am starting day #5 a bit tired. AF is a typical symptom of oxalate dumping for me.
4pm breakfast: 4 eggs scrambled in butter, large mug of salty bone broth, 1 shot coffee extended out with water. Pink Himalayan salt.
OH! So happy you tried it! Bacon and eggs together is a winner. Just an entirely different texture. I love having an alternate textured food to eat. I made a couple of them with broth instead of water, and then melted butter on top. That bit of extra salt and savoriness was delish. What shall we call this? Carnivore comfort food? I just love it.
I used chicken broth. Today Iâm going to try it with beef broth. I havenât gotten it as custardy as she does. Iâm going to try a lower temperature, more simmer, less rolling boil today.
Worked pharmacy all weekend. Time really flies in there- as there are so many different things that have to be done, and never a dull moment. Back to the regular floor today. Iâm opening, and we have a new cleaning protocol in place- so I get to spend a whole hour sanitizing everything. Yippee.
Iâve got tomorrow off, so I made a dr. appt to see if we canât do something to help curb the extra long visit from Aunt Flo. Going on two months now, non-stop. Going through iron pills (among other things) like crazy.
Well, though I donât FEEL hungry, I am going to eat meaty something and then get going. You all have a wonderful day, and carnivore on!
donât worry on this S. Your natural body IF situation will return. It is always best for a new person into carnivore to eat at all times they are hungry, even a little is fine but this ALL resets your natural body internally and is healing you inside, so while you think you are ruining things, in full truth you are correcting alot So just hold on and do carnivore and you will change up alot in your appetite and how you feel etc. All good things coming your way truly!
So sorry you went thru that FB!
could be oxalate for you but alot a tiny bit of wine could do it when you go strict like beef and water only. You are going to go thru an adaption time, even anyone who has a little carbs here and there, go all in, yea adaption happens and you might get slapped around a bit but I am super happy to hear it got handled and you did ok! You rest thru this month also, donât push anything, you are changing up inside alot nowâŚgive yourself a good old break, eat well, chill out some and ride the zc wave!
ahhh, you had your eggs did ya LOL you get back on that beef, you had your eggs, now you straighten up
you and me both, almost everything I eat is my comfort food for the day LOL
good move S. Too long is too long for sure and I hope you sail thru without troubles!!!
-------------- just zcâing along
all going well.
had a 1 lb. Tbone steak. omg so tender. I gnawed on that bone like a proâŚagain!!! I am not a Tbone fan but I have to say these steaks I hit on a good sale are suiting me right now. No draw to a ribeye, which is my staple, I am now out and about eating NY strips and TbonesâŚhuhâŚa month ago I would say nah to those but now they are just good eating for me.
filled me up alot. totally satisfied for a long time on that.
then I had 1 chicken breast, tin of sardines, 4 slices salami
Oh! I never heard about anyone else who can use my ridiculous amounts for booze
Apropos booze, I put mint leaves into my never good (I mean, I donât like the taste, itâs supposedly an okay though not very valuable wine), refusing to spoil for weeks but it WILL for sure semi-sweet white wine. It is supposed to become a mint flavored vinegar, right? One can hope
As I liked the Aussie mint sauce but the sugar in it is absolutely not needed, in the contrary. So I try to make my own, improved version.
I put mint leaves into some balsamic vinegar too but thatâs sugary and sweet. Oh well, vinegar doesnât spoil (at least I never saw such a thing. maybe the mint leaves canât last forever but for long enough), the amount is little, someone sometime might consume it.
I realized I have lots of mints, I barely looked at them since I transferred a few tiny things into the next big flower⌠box? Like a huge pot just different shaped. They are blooming now and sprouted zillion leaves. Alvaro waters them and the boxes are a bit out of sight, thatâs why I am not as familiar with them as I should. I like my own herbs, I just never use them (well sometimes the mint. once a year in lemonade?) I have thymes too. I donât have rosemary and thatâs pretty and probably better fresh. It looks amazing in food videos⌠Elegant plant.
I slept 8 hours and I am more enervated than EVER. I am so weak and vulnerable that I started to eat at 1:30pm. Not like itâs a problem, itâs a nice time, just a bit earlier than usual but I had a bit lower-calorie day yesterday so itâs not surprising I couldnât resist my usual stuff while being in the kitchen for a while. Fortunately it didnât trigger a big meal, I want that properly at the proper time. My hunger and appetite probably will be perfect then. I only had a tiny pickmeup now. Not my style but sometimes it is both doable and nice, a bit before my proper meal.
I will try that too soonâŚ
But to me, all of my food is comfort food Not like I use them for comfort⌠I can eat from zillion reasons but comfort is almost as rare as reward (thatâs just plain impossible, it makes less than zero sense to me. except when we go for a very very long hike or cycling tour and eat something on top or at our destination. but itâs not exactly a reward either, itâs just how things go. and my âtop chocolateâ is in the past anyway. we used to eat chocolate when reaching some mountain top but sometimes we have something else and we call that top something too. I have a very nice âtop crystalâ from an Austrian mountain top so it neednât to be edible. well that was on a motorbike tour, tiring but doesnât require much extra energy).
Sorry guys, I may be tired but my mind isnât that slow now and I remember things. But this thread hasnât a very very fixed topic either.
I did ruin my IF meaning I didnât do IF on that day. I donât think it will be longer term (I wouldnât let it anyway), IF is truly my natural way to do things, I have it since many years and it feels right.
Of course, it has no top priority so in the rare days I canât eat enough even in 8 hours (and my normal eating window is significantly smaller) and I get hungry later, I obviously eat then. But my body started to have problems with eating after midnight. Or just before midnight. Nothing serious as usual, I just feel a little weight in my belly the next morning. And I canât even regret eating as I was slightly hungry and possibly needing the fuel (I usually can guess the latter). But itâs not ideal so I want it to get better.
We (me and the cats) gnawed on bones too! Well I mostly cut off things, tendon isnât tempting enough to attack the bone with my not so perfectly strong teeth Even the tendon had too chewy parts for me. The cats loved it, of course but this time they played with the bones too (thought they surely wouldnât call it playing, feeding is serious business and a bone isnât a mouse). They donât always do that. They see they are big and donât even try, despite all the stuff still on it.
Caroline must hunt zillion mice and voles. If I take a little walk in the garden (quince season started and the Granny Smith tree drops an apple now and then too, I collect those. and I smelled my pink roses), she comes with a critter in her mouth. But she always can squeeze in some more foodâŚ
no you did not cause you are on a new plan now and you body will change and adapt. if you go all in carnivore then your IF situation will come back, but your body is gonna ask for alot of nutrition/healing it requires and that means eat, eat any time you must, that will then reset you back to a very natural IF body situation for your hunger and for your entire life. There is no âI must IFâ on zc. Ever. Thing is in the end, when we allow our natural food to heal/nourish us, being animal kingdom foods only, you will fall right back in line with a more naturalized IF situation. That is what I am trying to say. You IFâd before, but now your body wants zc nutrition, you give it that ANY time it wants it, and in the end the body will give you back a ton of benefits, like an IF situation daily that is natural and hunger control, body nourished and well being that is being rebalanced a very natural way.
Again it is key to just eat at all times you need and donât second guess that ever and how we came into this plan, like if from terrible menu then we take longer to change and have worse adaption, if we came in from controlled keto or low carb etc. we have already changed a bit, but when one goes âall inâ carnivore and holds it, alot of changes are still going to happen, and that is a good thing truly.
Love your cats hunting mice and voles. My barn cats and pet cats were the great hunters also and I love the independence of my cats. Cats are cool but I loved the more hands on loyalty and protection from a dog LOL All my animals on my farm meant so much for what purpose they were born to handle in life.
I had a great weekend with lots of walking. I feel the need to move more. I walk on my lunch breaks and try to walk my dog once a day. Tonight I play volleyball with my church league.
I tried lamb for the first time and loved it. I also ate some steak and salmon since I bought this up due to my recent ground beef aversion. I think I might be over that now so will have some hamburger patties this evening. I made a roast yesterday that I will be eating soon for my first meal. So far this morning I have had one black coffee and one coffee with 2 tbsp HWC.
The Bi-Lo grocery stores near me are going out of business and I bought some mozzarella balls there for $1 a piece. I did have an ounce on Saturday and have drank one coffee a day with HWC. I check this morning and I am down a pound. I am still planning to incorporate a little dairy each week as it is a little treat since I have been so strict the past two months. Iâm just going to play it by ear to see how it goes.
I missed a lot of great conversation here over the weekend and have really enjoyed reading it all and getting caught up this morning.
I was looking through the dumping symptoms mentioned in the Trying Low Oxalate Group.
I donât remember in what thread you were discussing low iron, but I saw this. I thought you might find it interesting.
(Flu like symptoms could include achy all over and chills/cold skin because oxalates can be stored in and impact the thyroid which regulates our body temperature. Oxalates can also impact iron and possibly lead to anemia because transferrinâs carbonate ion can be replaced by oxalates if oxalates can gain access to this site at sufficient concentrations. When that happens, unlike the carbonate ion, the oxalate anion wonât let go of the iron, so it sequesters iron irreversibly.)
Hey guys - unfortunately I have to drop out of this challenge. Got in touch with my doctor as my chronic itching and nausea/vomiting has worsened again and heâs scheduled a bunch of bloodtests to check for underlying causes. Heâs fine with me doing zc as an elimination diet but not untill after the bloodtest results have come back.
Iâll keep checking in with your progress and Iâll hopefully be back in the future.
Good luck all and thanks for the support so far If nothing else, I have 3kg of grassfed beef suet now which Iâm still enjoying!
yes I get that. I got to where my body had to move, I got all âjiggly insideâ cause my body was saying OMG use this energy and you have to do just that! Wild huh, most times after eating for in our lives we wanna nap and are tired and wanna crash, with this way of life the body âsignalsâ move you person, move! and we gotta listen I experienced that also and it shows true health coming your way. Active in your own lifestyle and move thru life in forward motion other than a couch tater! Love your post on this! Real change going down for you!
Your tastes will change. Love beef, hate it, love chicken, hate it, love lamb and go all in to hate it, to love pork to hate it HAHA I did all this and this is normal and goodâŚcause in all this you find you, what suits you best and how your life later will gear and what floats your boat. Just let it ride, it all changes up to suit you as it needs~
Congrats on your lb down but watch that dairyâŚsee if you are one who does well on a tad like me to enhance your âmeatâ or if you are one who is using it more as âsnacky, go toâ cause or if you âuse it as a condiment to meatâ. I was snacky using cheese as âmeal type foodâ but in the end I realized this must be a âcondimentâ on the food I eat ya knowâŚso you just wander thru that and you do you and all will be good I am sure!
got 2 things to sayâŚyea I get the test and donât change things before bloodwork and more but on that fence COULD Carnivore correct your issues?
LOL
I know, I know
You just find you thru all this. We have a journey we all must walk. If real med issues are hitting and one needs a Doc etc then we must do that and take it in baby steps sometimesâŚjust never forget our Carnivore lifestyle gives us SO much which might be what you need in the end, but your path has to be handled as you see it and feel it.
best of luck ALEX! Rooting for great things your way!!
Great advice, Fangs. I definitely will make sure it is a condiment and not a meal. My plan or experiment this week is to have 2 tbsp HWC in my coffee each day and top my burger patties once a day with cheese (whether mozzarella or raw Monterey jack cheese I bought). Iâll see if my weight drops any next week. If not I will ditch the HWC and see how the next week pans out. I love experimenting with my eating and seeing how it affects my body.
I agree, and would like to do 90 days of zc to see how it affects my symptoms. Iâm viewing the blood tests now as a good way to evaluate my health on a keto plan, and get a pre-carnivore baseline. Then assuming nothing major comes back that needs specific treatment (I try to remain positive about docs investigating things but usually get told 'x is borderline but youâre probably just stressed) Iâll work on a plan to get a low-stress stretch of time to try out zc again.
What Iâm trying to avoid is going zc now, getting the tests and having any results blamed on carnivore. Fingers crossed Iâll have an answer in time for the November (NoVegber?) challenge!
I was looking through the Zero Carb Health site and I believe I am over-salting. Actually, I know I am over-salting. I think it comes from my previous keto life-style. I salt everything, I even salt my water sometimes. I read the post about Bear on Salt and really got concerned that I might be doing some damage to my kidneys with excessive salt. https://www.zerocarbhealth.com/the-bear-on-salt/#more-626
I have decided to try cutting salt out this month and see how I do. Wondering what others thoughts about this are.
I donât must do IF. I mustnât eat breakfast. IF is a bit weaker.
IF is my natural eating style. If I can choose what to break, keto of IF, keto is the right answer most of the time⌠Not necessarily on carni, thatâs even better than OMADâŚ
Almost all my non-IF days are wrong, my body complains, I feel the problem. Itâs a problem but probably temporal. IF is my life, itâs with me since ages. I always tend to eat when I am able to and itâs a problem. For me, eating at night is bad, itâs very obvious, I feel it. So I do my best to avoid it, no matter what (except hunger, serious temptation and the other usual very valid reasons of mine to eat).
We donât need to agree but I will do things on my own way, obviously. Not like my parts always agreeâŚ
Thatâs it. I almost never need food at night (so itâs quite sad when I do because I couldnât eat enough during the day). But I eat without need too, thatâs what I do. Itâs not horrible, itâs not my natural style but itâs a half-formed habit so it has strength. I must break it and forget about it.
I have such a long overeating past and such a personality and attitude that encouraging me to eat is rarely a good idea. I so can eat, way more than what my body is happy with. Okay, not on carnivore, it definitely helps, I can slowly release my tiny existing brake regarding eating but not quite yet and definitely not at night. I accept changes, itâs not like I ever stuck to some eating window size, it varied but this midnight eating definitely feels wrong. So I fight it.
But things will do what they can do. Itâs not like I have much power over it, whatever I say. I appreciate the little, though.
Did I write (I think not) Caroline managed to catch a bat? Alvaro is shocked about it since weeks. He can understand catching birds but bats, itâs new and impressive though tragic. The little thing barely had a bite of meat on itâŚ
I like animals and plants alike. Obviously not all but it must be something very bad to lose my default love. We usually like the ones people are afraid of too if they arenât parasites or something like that. I totally adore spiders, I probably have a thousand in the house. Sometimes a bit annoying and I need to do things carefully but what can I do? They are spiders! They wouldnât even survive outside as Iâve read. They are house spiders, need warmth and adapted to living inside, the lovely little things.
Nice, nice weather here. I had cycling on Saturday and a tiny hiking on Sunday (we just went up to a hilltop to make photos. Amy sent me a sloth figurine and two from 3 Yowie chocolate had sloths⌠so we must make photos with the sloths everywhere and send them back. so she will have very very adventurous sloths who saw things on both ends of the planet. Hungary and Australia if someone here doesnât know that yet and curious. they are called Spee and Dee. I call the photo collection âSpeedy adventuresâ).
Impossible for me. I never ever hated pork (well I never had much of itâŚ). I hated EGGS for a year while I was a vegetarian so nothing is impossible but stillâŚ
First I would love to have enough meat to get bored of it⌠Even with my currently small variety, it would take a while, probably.
I hope someone finds another name as my decades long burning passion toward vegetables is too close (no matter how suddenly and completely I lost interest in almost all vegetables) and it sounds so problematic to me - even though I actually want to have a proper enough carni November. But my rebellious self hates being reminded of my restrictions and it easily answers the situation with raised activity and I so couldnât handle that, itâs stressful and I basically always give in when the rebellious one starts to wrack havoc. I donât even try to resist, itâs worse than temptation (itâs some special kind of temptation, I guess).
And the name is not as funny as the previous ones. Sorry, it makes sense, I just bring my selfish desires and opinion here without having any idea for a name.
Itâs one thing eating almost no veggies and not wanting them (though I have no plan to ban some - but I never banned green peas and they still disappeared almost completely even off keto) and itâs another to see a ban in the month name every time.
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I finished my day, I think. I better have! IF 18/6, I had 2 not smallish meal, they were nice. I had no meat except some pork today and I ate 11.5 eggs⌠So few left⌠But tomorrow I eat chicken and fish too I need it mentally to, my thoughts are too chaotic. It was ages ago that I tried to do carnivore-ish for more than a few days. No matter how relaxed my current approach is, I do have most of my usual restrictions and my supplies are inadequate. So I am training. I donât exactly desire other items but I canât help thinking of them sometimes. Itâs so odd. Itâs not very hard though this state is a bit stressful - as I know very well from the past that eating something I decided not to wouldnât make anything better at all, in the contrary. I wouldnât enjoy it as much as my normal food. It would just feed my rebellious/freedom-lover inner self who canât stay put.
After many years, I reached what PaulL so often writes on the forum. I can wait another day. Or more.
In the past, I wanted everything right away. Well I still donât resist temptation for an hour and sometimes a minute but I donât confuse true temptation with silly whims and thoughts. And the thought that I can have something later is soothing. I would feel absolutely horrible if I got all carby things suddenly taken away for good. But no, I merely reduced their amounts, frequency⌠I give time for my body and mind to realize they arenât even important⌠It happened with many items. Even with fruits and I was very much into having every fruits I can (as long as I like the taste but I love most fruits). I wrote about watermelons before. They are so very pointless in my eyes now. They arenât even nice just interesting because they are mostly solid water and thatâs fun. But I can have much better solid water (though a bit too hard form). With way more positive effects, thatâs important but not as effective as the items losing all of their charms.
I donât know EXACTLY where I am going. And I like this. The current me prefers the future to be a mystery.
Interesting read⌠Sadly, I donât know what is the truth, itâs probably a bit different for different people.
I never raised my salt intake on keto as I never felt the need (I did vegetarian keto). I donât supplement sodium if I fast for 48 hours. But if I eat more salt in my food, I start to have problems. So I rather go lower than higher but I have many salty food items. I must be careful with them.
Eggs (and very many plant food items) donât need salt or just extremely little according to my tastebuds. Quality eggs are very tasty, I prefer them with a hint of salt but they are near perfect without.
I canât eat meat without salt but of course, they are tasty - or else they themselves are tasteless with salt too (like my fish. I need to add eggs as those are so very tasty they make nearly everything better. but a tasty meat works too, of course. fatty too if I can ask as my fish is horribly lean. itâs usually the fat in meat that makes it tasty for me).
I definitely wouldnât use salt just for the sake of a raised sodium intake!
But I canât just cut it out. I probably would immediately make my meat consumption zero, I must love my food⌠And on the first day, I would quit as I never was able to live on eggs alone (it must be nutritionally impossible too, right? but itâs a moot point, I develop egg aversion quicker than sodium aversion on a diet with keto-recommended amounts without a huge extra volume).
But I may try some bites without salt I wonât have much chance for it as the food we both eat is salted, many of my staple items are salted, I barely use extra sodium now for my own foodâŚ
(While people put salt even into sweets. I never understood that, I never felt it would do good and not bad. But people put sugar into everything too⌠So I leave them at that and do my own, simplified stuff.)
Tomorrow I practice shorter comments and I am totally serious.
Oxtoberfest is starting a little troublesome for me. Last night and this morning I had the runs something terrible. I made pot roast my usual way and I did use seasoning, but it is a seasoning I use quite frequently. The pot roast, more oxalate dumping, something else I ate?
Iâve been eating more the past week and Iâve gained a few more pounds. Iâm not happy with that at all! Iâm trying to follow the eat freely advice, but I wonât at the expense of gaining weight. I am vain. I admit it.
I did eat a fair bit of sausage today, so I think tomorrow I will shift more to just meat and salt.
So just hold on and do carnivore and you will change up alot in your appetite and how you feel etc. All good things coming your way truly!
I never heard about anyone else who can use my ridiculous amounts for booze 
I experienced that also and it shows true health coming your way. Active in your own lifestyle and move thru life in forward motion other than a couch tater! Love your post on this! Real change going down for you!
