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OXtoberFest ZC Challenge
Fangs
#62
you DID NOT buckle at all. Drop ALL this thinking of if you eat your meat you are doing something wrong or negative or you are buckling or you are not supposed to be doing itā¦YOU EAT all you need at all times, and never for one second put any negativity on eating your meat at all.
Terms like buckling are out of your carnivore life forever my friend 
Yes. Human nature too is we want what we canāt have the minute we put āany restrictionsā on ourselves, like taking the all beef/water challenge Your mind is craving anythingā¦anything āextraā and nice thing is you are OKā¦you eat up that steak and if you need to, you eat up another steak LOL
and if you need some beef short ribs you put a bunch in a crockpot and let them simmer away and omg so good. you need more you put a big old chuck roast into the crockpot and have that. you fry up alot of cooked beef strips and have them handy!!!
You are in a real challenge. Wild isnāt it? I love your resolve and commitment and you are NOW walking into what a real zero carb experience is and will see how you do on it!
I am also absolutely happy as a clam you did eat FB! Many would ānot buckleā when it is the polar opposite. Hungry you eat and never give it a second thought ever!! You did the right thing for sure, eat when needed, all the time, any time. Key to starting zero carb on a note from being nourished, to fueling for repair/healing internally etc.
I loved your post!!
Elizedge
(Elizabeth )
#64
The challenge youāve given yourself is to eat beef and drink water. Thatās it. Whether thatās eight times a day or twice a day. Sounds like a success to me
Fangs
#65
Right on E! FB is going for it and doing very well.
I am so proud of him going all in and trying it!
Darn right a successful day!
VirginiaEdie
(Edith)
#66
I am on day three of my Diet Coke sobriety. I actually gave it up a few months ago and went through caffeine withdrawal at that time. No withdrawal this time around. I guess I hadnāt fallen off the wagon long enough to get re-addicted.
I added more seafood to my diet this week. Salmon, shrimp, and scallops. The only problem is seafood is high in histamine and itās starting to show, so Iām going to back off a little.
Iām glad everyone is doing well for the start of the challenge. We got this!!!
Fangs
#67
VERY COOL and you just keep goingā¦and just remember what that actually is ya knowā¦what ādiet cokeā is truly all about and IS IT FOOD? ya know in that when we desire and addict what is the truth of what that stuff we want so darn bad truly is all about I had to face it with Caffeine free Diet Pepsi and to this day, I say leaving that crap behind was the best darn day of my life.
my most useless foods in the world-----any soda and cereal. omg cause when we truly think of this stuff in its āhorribleā glory right?
Yes, seafood you might see if effecting you and if you want it a bit, cut back that portion size and enjoy if you can, but make the meats that works best for you the main focus, make the seafood into a ācondimentā type thinkingā¦You are doing real good VE!!!
Shinita
#68
The smoked pork chuck is awesome. Nothing like chuck from the same shop, well they have very many kinds of pigs, there are extremely huge differences! The sausages are very different too despite they use the same recipe (a tad more spicy paprika for the āspicyā ones. I donāt really feel itās spicy, I donāt know why they do this to Hungarians. I donāt even like spicy stuff, just subtly spicy onesā¦ and I donāt even feel āspicy sausagesā spicy at all).
I never had chuck like this. It reminds me of a ham - just marbled with fat 
Perfectness. I need to keep myself from eating more (itās not very hard, I know too much salt isnāt nice for me). I ate some and I got very satiated and satisfied. I missed this feeling. Sure, my high-calorie yesterday might have added to the effect but I am more hopeful now. I started to have difficulties but I didnāt fall much
FrankoBear
#69
I couldnāt get past 48hrs without coffee. So, your effort is awesome!.
Letās just say de-caf coffee is a prank. I tried some this morning. It was disgusting. But it was at the cafe that makes bad coffee. That could be a factor.
Or, have my taste receptors changed?
No. Iām having good coffee now and all is good. It tastes good.
For a moment there, I thought the carnivore WOE was about to reveal to me the toxic flavours of a roasted plant bean.
Blood glucose 1 hour after eating 4 eggs scrambled with salt = 5.8mmol/L / 104 (itās a dirty reading). Blood ketones 0.6mmol/L
Strict elimination carnivore challenge day #4. FAIL 3 meal day. Itās Sunday.
Look, I felt energised and worked around the āfarmā. I dug a swale with a shovel and moved some extra soil in a wheelbarrow up a steep slope. I planted some grape vines and tended the food forest with some hand watering. Walked the boundary with the dog checking seedling trees and looking at orchids (we get fairy orchids on the property in spring). I was out in the sunshine being physically active.
At about 2;30pm I felt a bit hungry, so I had another 4 eggs cooked in butter with some salt. Psychologically the voice was saying, āStrict carnivore. One meal a day.ā But another voice, that I imagine sounds a bit like Fangsy, was saying, *āIf you are hungry, eat. Eat until you are not hungry. It is OK to eat today.ā*So, now I hear voices.
Weāve got local spring meadow butter at the moment, the most nutrient rich seasonal dairy.
I worked on the computer. Giving my brain a work out.
Then my wife cooked dinner. I had an Atlantic salmon fillet with the skin on, haloumi cheese (2 small rectangles pan fried), a sniff and a small taste of (her) red wine, a cabernet - it was intense, a blackberry bouquet. But that meal made me feel hungry. Maybe I am responding to the first few days of restriction? I ate a 300g scotch fillet steak cooked in a slab of that butter on the woodfire stove. Now I feel very satiated. Incredibly so. Mentally and physically.
Itās 10pm. 2 hours after dinner. I have to work on my sleep, so I will go to bed.
Blood glucose 2hrs after eating = 4.8 mmol/L (86mg/dl); blood ketones 0.9mmol/L
Try again tomorrow for day #5 of the challenge.
Shinita
#70
I canāt tell apart coffee with and without coffeinā¦ To me, they feel the same.
I still drink one right now, I made tea but it canāt replace it. I definitely need something warm and have no other ideas. Oh well. I run out of cream at least
Weak black coffee, definitely not tasty. But it has some kind of role. I donāt know what. It doesnāt change me.
Fangs
#71
glad you found a great cut of meat you enjoy so much!
people who love their coffee, absolutely 
their coffee!
I never liked coffee. Younger I tried to drink it at work with all the other people cause it was the morning thing to doā¦everyone went to get coffee and chat and mill aroundā¦I would sip some and 
. Just never got into it.
you know there was one zero carber who made what she called āsilver teaāā¦it was just plain hot water. She sipped it cause she wanted something hot.
I dropped tea. I would sip some tea cause I wanted something hot to sip also. But one day I drank some tea and I got the weirdest mouth numbing type thing. Bleck! I dropped tea so fast. Now water is my life. I dropped hot drinks, never looked back. I didnāt need a replacement ya know for hot cocoa or any hot drink. I wake up and I get a big old bottle of water and start my day.
I like to think back ya know. I always like to go back very early as in there were no hot drinks or coffee or diet soda for mankind. Everything drank plain old water and I just seemed now to have fallen right in line with that. Hubby is like I need to make coffee and then others are like, lets go get a drink, usually a soda type thing or a sweet tea etcā¦and I think, those 2 things are gone from my life. Hot drinks, gone. Anything other than water gone.
of course when I do party up a bit the booze comes into play but other than those few times, yea water is my life. But I will always remember that zc person who drank āsilver teaāā¦plain old hot water to sip on and it satisfied that need for a warm drink. huh.
Fangs
#72
had me a steak, Tbone yesterday. I gnawed that bone like a pro!
1/2 lb monster burger
4 slices salami
1 small chicken breast
ZC rocking along well for me.
My knee I twisted is getting a bit better. I think I will try a shorter type hike today. No mountain trails, just hit a scenic walking path near my houseā¦only a 3 mile trailā¦but easy walking. Will test out the knee. I hope I am good to go and start some real hiking up the side of mountains We shall see!
Rock out OXtoberFest!
VirginiaEdie
(Edith)
#73
Whatās funny is that I can tell the difference (In a blind taste test) between Diet Coke and caffeine-free Diet Coke. The regular DC tastes better.
Fangs
#74
me too. I can tell caffeine free diet pepsi vs. regular diet pepsi in a flash.
we sad aināt we LOL
Shinita
#75
Alvaro drinks warm water. I canāt. I only like cold or lukewarm waterā¦
Sometimes I feel I need something warm as my throat is a tad sensitive, well I donāt sing in a choir since Covidā¦ But I will try to ignore such feelings. I like water so I really donāt get it fullyā¦
And I am sure I would be just fine with water. But I need to break these habits first. Well I have an insane amount of Earl Grayā¦ And I have no problem with my tea drinking. I need to stop drinking coffee, well I would be fine with drinking way less. It doesnāt feel ideal or natural but my very mild displeasure isnāt enough to stop. We will see, lack of cream should help in the next week.
I am so lazy now. After a nice walk (there was a rainstorm at night but when I woke up, it was very bright sunshine and perfect temperature) and a nice meal, time of the day is when we arenāt so active, some natural rhythmā¦ Maybe I will have a little nap. Fortunately I got back my ability to eat a properly big, satiating meal. I donāt know why I have a rollercoaster, sometimes I canāt eat much at once, sometimes I am super hungry, the two at the same time is the worstā¦ And itās just perfect sometimes. Now I have one of my better days
I never even drank diet pepsi/coke in my life but I am sure I am taste-blind to caffeine. I can imagine I couldnāt even tell apart coke and pepsi and some cheap imitation from a little store (maybe I could tell which is coke as I know that best but I am not sure as all would be a disgustingly sweet abomination). But you canāt hide sugar or certain sweeteners from meā¦ I feel them in super tiny amounts.
Do diet sodas keep our sweetness need high or the lack of sugar is enough to feel things more and more sweet I wonder? My family membersā experiences hint at the latter, even eating sugar couldnāt help if it happened rarely and the one in question put the actually desired amount into the food/drink.
I always find it curious that we 3, on very different woe, eating a very different amount of natural sugar feels things similarly sweet. I keep changing while they stopped but before carni, we were at the same level (we all ate sweets, though).
I am curious what will happen to me in November
This October is just training in the beginning. I actually tell myself when I donāt understand certain restrictions when I will break them later anyway that itās valuable training. To endure turbulent thoughts and feelings when I so totally donāt need anything else, itās just my rebellious self, a random idea or something similar. Coffee is similar. I donāt really enjoy it, I donāt need it, my body very subtly prefers not drinking it. So why? Breaking the habit is the right thing but it causes a tiny discomfort. I am bad with that. But I can train instead of following every whim and habit in the first second, without reluctance (itās not like I get a reward). I can do it better. I give in when things actually get hard
VirginiaEdie
(Edith)
#76
I did not find that the artificial sweetener in Diet Coke gave me a craving for more sweets. I found it actually helped me intermittent fast a little longer if I drank some. Although, that could have been because of the caffeine.
VirginiaEdie
(Edith)
#77
Yes! @Fangs would have definitely told you that. @Elizedge would have, too.
@SecondBreakfast, I made the egg pudding. It is quite tasty. I melted a little bacon grease on top with some salt. Yum, yum. 
Fangs
#78
hey all us zcāers on here know to eat when hungry LOL I donāt think in truth none of us are missing the zc concepts of what it takes I feel everyone here is getting a great command of what carnivore is all about From what I am seeing on the thread, everyone is doing stellar truly!
One of the perks of this plan, we track nothing at all, we eat as much as we truly need at all times and we just live life without ābeing on a diet plan we have to watch and interactāā¦boy I hated that part of any of it. Now I just eat and geez, what a concept huh? Eat, heal, get healthyā¦sounds good to me!
Shinita
#79
How can I find the egg pudding recipe? I may try to do it without one, of courseā¦ But still.
I made sponge cake today (and other cake but that wasnāt mine). Nice with smoked porkā¦ Even I canāt use boiled eggs as bread all the time. And the pork alone is nice but still too salty and it disappears too quickly alreadyā¦
sigh I ate 3 times again. I got hungry, I am probably still a bit weak to that (I felt no need to eat, just hunger and that doesnāt matter but I still donāt like the feeling) but I tracked so I knew about my tiny intake as well and heaven forbid I would undereatā¦
And I had sponge cake (very similar to my pancake just with whipped egg whites and I use the oven) and pork chuckā¦ Oh well. Apart from ruining my poor IF again (itās never good, IF feels best but itās not so clear when my body is confused. yeah, it will be nice to stay on track for longer times in the future) it was a nice day eating wise. Maybe I needed to survive the first 3 to arrive here where satiation comes easily. Or it was the pork. Who knows? I had tiny hunger two times today. And freshly cooked smoked pork hocks, I accidentally ate a bit so I made a smallish complete meal of it. 3 meals are fine on my nice, easily satiated days but my eating window became horribly big. It never feels quite right. But I am sure itās temporal. So things will fall into place later.