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(Karen) #1

Saw this book in shop today. Had anyone read it and if so is it worth the purchase.

It is half price on Amazon so am thinking of buying it.

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(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #2

Caveat emptor.

(Karen) #3

Hmmm do I take it from that article he is not worth the read??? Seems a lot of criticism in it.

(Pennie Malone) #4

His book may be OK, but it seems his website, possibly written by several people, has a lot of quackery about it sadly

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #5

I think Jason Fung, books and website, is a better and more reliable source of info.


(KCKO, KCFO đŸ„„) #6

OP, I am seconding Michael’s references.

Mercola keeps changing his tune, whichever way the diet trend winds are blowing is what he does. He’s been around since the late 80s pushing whatever is popular at the moment.

Dr. Fung got into all this to help his patients with their diabetic issues, he really looks at the science. His advice has really helped me with my obesity issues, I have maintained my weight loss for going on 4 yrs. now. Don’t know where I would be with him and the 2KetoDudes’ podcasts and these keto forums.

(Doug) #7

I third it! :smile: Mercola is essentially just a “massive marketing effort.”

This, describing things over a decade ago, is accurate, IMO: “Mercola .com is a horrible chimera of tabloid journalism, late-night infomercials, and amateur pre-scientific medicine.” I had to laugh at that one.

Definitely. Perhaps no laws have been broken, but some of the harebrained stuff I’ve seen from Mercola - or those who make advertising copy in his name - makes me think, “Well that’s just about the stupidest thing I ever saw.” :rage:

I realize this is a rant, and that science is often not truly settled, that different things work for different people, and that Dr. Mercola has the right to make money, but still - SHAME on doctors who go Mercola’s route. Anybody want to go and watch Dr. Oz on TV? :smile:

(bulkbiker) #8

Fourth in line for the Fungster
 the man who made me well again. As well as letting me give him a hug.

(Karen) #9

Perhaps I will look out for Dr Fungs books then. Thank you to all for your input, .much appreciated.

#10

I haven’t read it, but I have Effortless Healing and Fat for Fuel, both were after I was already eating keto, knew all the basic ropes and just wanted some more info that I may possibly gain. I learned nothing at all. He seems to have this thing where he touches on a lot of stuff but doesn’t go into anything. I actually like Mercola, but not when it comes to Keto stuff. Completely can’t stand Jason Fung though! I thank the Complete Guide to Fasting and the Obesity code for that. Ultimately, fastings easy
 don’t eat. I’m no longer a fan of it from my own negative experiences but don’t think you need to buy a book to learn anything you can’t learn here from real people.

(Jane) #11

Still fat like I would be also.

Congrats on 4 years - that is inspiring!

(UsedToBeT2D) #12

Keto works. After almost a year on keto, I don’t need anymore books. It just works for improving health, reversing chronic disease, reducing weight. Buying smaller clothes, no more drugs for diabetes, or high blood pressure. This is my life. F the government guidelines.

(Karen) #13

I just like to read some ‘well written’, easy to -read and understand’ science. Some of the things mentioned on here just go over my head. I don’t know whether that is just because of the sometimes confusing way it is written or whether it is because I haven’t read something that maybe should have been read or known about before!!!

I am not a thicky by any chalk and really enjoy learning about the ‘science behind’ things. However it has to be a book I pick up and get hooked reading and don’t want to put it down.

#14

well on carnivore we don’t fast ever

in that nasty word of ‘fasting’ times like IF or EF

we just eat when hungry and don’t went not.
and many zc people fall into OMAD or 2MAD per day when we are longer on plan
so thing is ‘IF’ puts a ‘forced window on ya’ that says I will not eat between X and Y times and if hungry you have to struggle.

If one gets on a Keto Plan, or low carb plan or zero carb plan that suits them so well, they ‘get benefits of not eating’ for the digestion of the body yet they never not eat when hungry. Time on any plan ‘sets us into a real and nature’ eating style that gives us ‘those forced planned results’ people have to adhere too
but in the end, healthier lower carb eating ya go you gain this and again, it is time to find your eating pattern.

I hate the word fasting. It is not in ANY truly healthy eating plan ever but if one ‘forces fasting windows’ and more they can easily work against you.

You fall into a natural not eating time that you can go longer without food but you eat whenever you are truly hungry (and this body hunger in truth comes thru time on your plan) then you go it whipped. We eat when we feel we need to eat to nourish the body cause it is asking for your keto/lc/zc plan food.

I can’t personally ‘diet’ anymore. Be it IF or EF or drink before eating or don’t drink or not eat after 7 or eat only XYZ in the morning to ramp up something and eat like BIG breakfast and small lunch and dinner and eat big protein in AM as early as ya can, cause then you get only veg later in the day.

I did all that stupid crap. Works for some but not many hence the 95% can never hold weight loss or a healthy eating plan for life.

but it is a learning experience for all and we are on different timelines about our journey but never under estimate what a healthy eating plan is that suits you and gets results before ‘we put ourselves’ on some restrictions and limitations that can backfire.

ok, just personal thoughts that spewed out thru my journey and how I see it and others info will vary but you got more info to digest and find your personal way ya know :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

(Karen) #15

I will eventually get some book or other to read up just to translate what you are all talking about cos I get totally lost reading some of the threads on here lol

(Jack Bennett) #16

Is that true that nobody combines carnivore with EF or IF? Seems like they would be compatible if someone wanted to try things out that way.

(bulkbiker) #17

The Diabetes Code or the Obesity Code by Dr Fung are probably the two easiest to read and understand. Depending on your problem either or both would be a useful addition.
For weight loss maybe “Eat Fat and grow slim” by Dr Richard Mackarness from the 80’s is a super fun read written in non jargon and just as valid today as when it was written.

(Polly) #18

I think many carnivores fall into an IF way of eating because they listen to their hunger signals and only eat when hungry. What they do not do, is create an artificial eating window by reference to a clock, watch, chronometer or sundial, or even by checking the position of the sun, moon or stars in the sky.

#19

Polly gave a real good post answer to your question.

we ‘do an IF’ type life but we are not ‘IF’ing’ as the IF rules apply.

We just don’t eat for a while and that can be a long time. But like Polly said we do it on a natural eating pattern we fall into personally and with carnivore, everyone at all times is ‘on their own’ schedule. A new person might eat 4-6-7 times a day then change out to 3 times a day and when longer on plan will find they want 2mad or omad. But we never place an artificial eating time window on ourselves.

It is extremely rare to find a zc person doing EF. Other than maybe religious reasons or they are a total lover of EF for some reason, you won’t see hardly an zc people on zc forums ever tackling that. We know we eat when hungry and don’t eat when not and if you push past that too far, most zc people fail alot and can’t hold plan
heck that is also for other plans as well like just low carb or keto plan, at some point ya don’t eat enough doing forced IF and EF, heck ya crack.

(Jack Bennett) #20

Thanks, I hadn’t known that carnivore eating was considered incompatible with a “formal” IF/TRF method like 16:8, 18:6, 20:4, etc. :cut_of_meat::clock3: