One month on keto.. still not in ketosis 😞

(Sab) #21

Thanks Mike. Actually I just assume I’m not ketosis since I didn’t lose any weight yet, moreover I didn’t get any keto flu symptoms and the keto strips test happened to be negative… even though I know they aren’t very accurate!
I’m 5.1ft for 132lb. I’m working out 3 to 4 times per week (lifting + a bit of cardio)

(Stan Brooks) #22

https://examine.com/supplements/selenium/

Can’t speak about you, but as a diabetic I would avoid the stuff.

(Stan Brooks) #23

Wait…

Are you sure you have that much to lose?

(Debbie) #24

Re check your macros and make sure they are correct for you.
I’ve been on this new way of eating for 4 months now. I’ve always showed negative on the keto sticks. I never got the keto flu either. I’ve lost 27 lbs so far.
The way I understood it is the only ketones that show up in your urine are the extra ones that your body isn’t using.
I also read that if you start out on keto slower your body adjusts to it better so that you don’t go through the keto flu symptoms.,
Also I am still learning myself so hopefully someone can back me on this or maybe correct me. Good luck.

(Sab) #25

If I stick to 1g of protein per lb of lean body fat, that would make 85g/day. I am quite active (working out 3 to 4 times a week)
You’re right, I’ll drop the nuts and see if any improvements!

#26

If you’re eating oily fish and meat, why the need for selenium?

I had vit B toxicity a couple of months ago because I was trying to stop my hair failing out. All I really needed to do was consume more protein. Far more natural than the supplement.

Doctor told me I needed B12 and D3 last year, but I was also fat and lazy eating nothing but cake and bread, and never going out in the sun. Now I eat good food and go outdoors, I no longer need those supplements.

(Sarah ) #27

Your body will either burn fats or burn carbs for energy. If you aren’t burning carbs, you’re burning fats, and that means you are in ketosis. So either you are eating more carbs than you think, or you are in ketosis. You might have metabolic issues that are affecting your weight, keto ispart of weight loss for some people, but simply being ketosis does not equal weight loss. It just changes some of the metabolic issues and some of the chemical issues that make weight loss harder for some people. So it can make all the difference, for those people, but it’s not a magic pill. That being said, it does influence a bunch of other things, and there’s a thread on here somrwhere,about all the things keto does, from improvements in skin texture to halting the progression of some serious neurological disorders. It’s many pages long.

Do you feel healthier overall?

Side note pee strips are a waste of money.

#28

I count all carbs and try to stay under 15/day. One avocado has 12 carbs. By itself that is fine, but those little carbs add up, the sneaky varmints.

(Bunny) #29

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(Mary) #30

Hi Sab,
Your math looks a little off… :grin: I believe it’s 1 gram of protein (maximum) per kilo of lean body weight, which is unlikely to be more than 50 gm.
I think the most important thing is to trust the process. There’s probably a lot of healing going on. And you don’t have much weight to lose to begin with…

(Candy Lind) #31

I think @Brenda would agree with me that you can support your muscle mass with far less protein than that. The recommendation for active individuals is actually 1g per kg (2.2 lb) LBM, which for you would be 60g; Brenda is a heavy lifter and probably burns far more than you do in your 3-4x/week; she’s cut back to some amount less than 1:1, and she is still gaining muscle mass. Your body is likely turning excess protein to sugar, and keeping you out of steady ketosis.

My suggestion is that you keep to basics: < 20g carbs, net or gross, it’s your choice; cut protein and increase fat intake to keep your calories where they are. After a week or two, if you see no changes (scale or not), you might try some of the other small tweaks like cutting dairy or nuts, because sensitivity CAN slow you down. Keep it simple, and KCKO. Let us know how it goes!

#32

Maybe I’m missing something, but from this and your earlier post those numbers aren’t making sense. How much to you currently weight, do you know what your current LBM is, and what do you want to weight?

(Adam Smith) #33

Don’t bother restricting calories, your body will take care of your metabolism for you.

The ketosis sticks only detect one kind of ketone, and it’s not the main one you even want. They also cease to be any indicator at all of ketosis once your body starts absorbing them from the blood to actually use. The short answer is, ignore them, don’t use them. They’re meaningless.

It’s likely that if you don’t have a lot of weight to lose, you won’t lose it quickly. You should see other non - scale victories like decreasing waistline with steady weight though.

(Sarah ) #34

I forgot to ask, are you using hormonal birth control?

(Sab) #35

Hi Mary,
Thanks for this! Obviously I was wrong!

Yes you’re right, I’ll keep going and it will pay out :muscle:

(Sab) #36

My current weight is 132lb, LBM is about 85lb, and my objective is 110lb.

(Sab) #37

No, I am not

(Sarah ) #38

Good, one less thing to worry about

#39

So at around 85lb LBM if you go with the standard 1g/kg lbm that’d be around 36g/day which I’d say is too low, especially if your weight training 3x week…BUT that also means 100g is way too high. Go midrange at around 60g or so. I’m a 5’9" dude @200lbs and I try to stick around 100 or so and have had no issues with strength gains the last couple months. Remember, our bodies can’t store protein for later, if you eat more than you can use it converts to glucose and burns off. At that point it doesn’t matter if it’s excess protein or cupcakes.

(Mike W.) #40

I shoot for about 80g of protein and I’m 255…
I have about 160 lbs of LBM.
Read this. The part that sticks with me is how we came up with .8 gm/kg. It’s basically made up!
https://idmprogram.com/how-much-protein-is-excessive/