On "Today.com", Dietitian tries ketogenic diet for 30 days

(Michelle ) #1

Link to original article: http://a.msn.com/05/en-us/BBGYwmo?ocid=se

A dietitian tried a ketogenic diet for 30 days. Results? “Towards the end of my 30 days, I realized I had felt the best I had in years. It’s hard to stop a diet that makes you feel so good.” She did say she felt it was restrictive but most of that was her own eating style BEFORE she went keto. When I looked at her meal recommendations, I had to laugh. Wow, she made it hard on herself. Tofu bacon? Really?!? YUCK!!

(I am new here, so hope this is in the right area)

(Ellen) #2

Well at least she tried it, although I totally agree that tofu bacon sounds like a crime against the universe!

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #3

So why stop?

Except she really needs to get hip to real bacon. @Elle79 is right, that tofu “bacon” is a crime against the universe! :bacon:

(Michelle ) #4

I was wondering the same thing…

(Mark Rhodes) #5

Just think how good she would have felt without the inflammatory tofu!

(Brian) #6

I despise “fake meats”. They’re not much more than “junk food” for people who want to call themselves vegetarians. I have serious reservations about the ingredients in most of those things.

In our house, we either eat meat or we don’t eat meat. That stuff that sorta kinda looks like it and tastes like it a little less… no.

I’m not a big fan of tofu, either, especially for men. The influences of estrogen are already pretty heavy with a lot of the foods we eat and I’m not convinced that soy based foods don’t contribute towards even more of that. Just my hunch, but it’s enough of one that I’d just as soon avoid it.

(Rob) #7

Tofu bacon!.. face palm! Why?!!

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #8

I know, right? :bacon::bacon:

#9

Agree, at least she was open minded enough to try it. And she will tell two people, who will tell two people etc etc :blush:

(Marie Dantoni) #10

Hey, it’s a start…and a dietician too !!

(Margie) #11

Tofu and BACON just don’t go together…nor Turkey and Bacon…but she did try and that may mean that the tide are changing😏

(Georgia) #12

The only time turkey and bacon go together is when you wrap turkey tenderloins with bacon. And tofu is an abomination, no matter how you serve it!

(Janet) #14

Her original Nov 6 was much better. How Keto fights cancer, with quotes from the head of cancer medicine at MD Anderson. HE eats a Keto diet! That should have made folks sit up and take notice.

(Brian) #15

Thanks for this, Vickilynn!

I don’t eat pork either, nor do I use lard. I do eat the clean meats (as mentioned in Genesis) and also eat eggs, dairy and cheese (still picky about them). And I even spent a good many years as a vegetarian and even a time as a vegan.

It does all come down to choices. And as much as I may disagree with some of the things I may have even used to believe myself, I have to allow others their own opinions. I hope they allow me the same. :slight_smile:

Mostly, this group is very open to varying opinions, and I’m very thankful for that. It makes it OK to be a little different and a person doesn’t have to be afraid of ridicule here. That means a lot.

:slight_smile:

#16

That’s great that it works for you but the traditional keto diet is a moderate protein diet, one gram of protein per kilo of lean body mass or ideal weight. If you eat more protein than your body requires it will be broken down into sugar and spike insulin. Not at the same rate as carbs but more than anyone with insulin resistance should need. I did not read the article but it sounds like despite the tofu she was doing it correctly. @Richard did an experiment where he ate the minimum daily requirement for a male of his age according to the Australian government. He took Dexas before and after and found he had gained a small amount of muscle or lean body mass when it was over

(Richard Morris) #18

Actually I lost some lean mass. I went from 80,380g of lean mass to 80,342g … 38g in a total mass of 80.3kgs is not a significant amount. That is well within the margin of the machines error.

But I also found out that I did the experiment wrongly. I planned to eat the Australian RDI for a 51 year old man for 60 days, which is 0.84g/kg which based on my known lean mass should have been 67g of protein a day.

Then I found out that the Australian standards are per kg of TOTAL body weight. So I had ACTUALLY been eating 0.6g/kg of Body Weight for 2 months and I still lost an insignificant amount of weight. Worst case scenario I was 0.5g/day short, because over the 60 days of the experiment that would have made the difference - assuming the small loss was significant and caused by an equivalent deficiency.

I can’t tell you how much you need, and if you look at the variability of human protein requirements to maintain their lean mass (the x’s on the 0 line), there is a very large range of variability.

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That study indicated that humans need from 0.3 to 1.0 g/kg of lean mass to maintain that lean mass.

That is why @Carl and I are happy to recommend people eat whatever allows them to make ketones and preserve lean mass … but as a starting goal at 1-1.5g/kg of lean mass, no-one should be eating too little.

(Brian) #19

It’s kinda off subject, but sometimes I wish I could go back in time to see what might have been.

I have an adopted brother that was brain damaged before he was born and when he was an early teenager, developed epilepsy. Mom & dad really had no idea what to do for him and had him to doctors all over the place. And not a single one of them recommended even checking out a keto diet. This was like 50 years ago so maybe it really was a lot less known in medical circles. There was no internet. But I always wondered what would have happened to him, and the rest of us, had we all gone keto way back then.

I know, a person can’t go back.

#21

While I have read about that diet, I was not referring to it since that is for an atypical population and was not created from whole food but is some type of meal substitute. I was referring to for example Atkins induction and what is popular here for example which has been touted as a moderate protein diet. In fact while I have even done Atkins in the past I did not realize until I started reading here that protein is something that should be moderated.

I am always interested in reading studies. If you have verified information that confirms that protein does not turn to sugar when consumed in excess I would love to read it and maybe learn something

(Brian) #25

If I recall correctly the original Keto diet for kids with epilepsy was designed to maintain a state of ketosis to reduce or prevent seizures while Maximizing weight gain, since these kids had a tendency to fall behind the growth curve for kids of their age

(Dan Dan) #26

According to Dr. Jason Fung,

“Amino acids [derived from protein consumption] cannot be stored for long term energy. Any protein eaten in excess needs to be converted to glucose or fat for storage.”

“ if you are trying to achieve negative energy balance (lose weight) then you need LESS protein. Why? Because there is all sorts of protein loss associated with fat loss. There is less skin, connective tissue, capillaries, blood, dermis etc associated with weight loss – all of which needs to be catabolized (burned up and not replaced). Think about those bariatric surgery shows on TLC where surgeons remove 20-30 pounds of excess skin after weight loss. Yes, that’s all protein that should have been catabolized. As an aside, in my clinic where we do a lot of intermittent fasting, I have not yet sent a single patient to the plastic surgeon for removal of excess skin, even though weight loss sometime is over 100 pounds."

“ the amount (of protien) needed to cover the average amino acid losses are only 42 g/day (0.6g/kg/day). Remember, that if you want to lose weight, you should be eating less protein so that you can break some down."

Dr. Ron Rosedale, in fact, suggests going even lower. In a fascinating LowCarb Vail talk (available on YouTube, and highly recommended), he said “Your health, and likely your lifespan, will be determined by the proportion of fat versus sugar you burn in your lifetime”. Remember that excess protein (see last weeks post) falls into the ‘burning sugar’ side of the equation. He also said in that talk, to a group of Low Carb aficionados that “today, it is perhaps more important to restrict protein than to restrict carbohydates“. Strong words, indeed. I tend to agree.

Fasting and less protein is associated with fat loss and less skin.

https://idmprogram.com/how-much-protein-is-excessive/

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