NYT myth busters on nutrition


(Robin) #1

So close…. (a better but not yet “there”)
From an article in NTY today…

MYTHS
Soy milk can raise the risk of breast cancer. Fat-free foods are healthier than high-fat foods. Vegans and vegetarians are deficient in protein. Some false ideas about nutrition seem to linger in American culture like a terrible song stuck in your head.

So to set the record straight, we asked 10 of the top nutrition experts in the United States a simple question: What is one nutrition myth you wish would go away — and why? Here’s what they said.

Myth No. 1: Fresh fruits and vegetables are always healthier than canned, frozen or dried varieties.

Despite the enduring belief that “fresh is best,” research has found that frozen, canned and dried fruits and vegetables can be just as nutritious as their fresh counterparts.

“They can also be a money saver and an easy way to make sure there are always fruits and vegetables available at home,” said Sara Bleich, the outgoing director of nutrition security and health equity at the U.S. Department of Agriculture and a professor of public health policy at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. One caveat: Some canned, frozen and dried varieties contain sneaky ingredients like added sugars, saturated fats and sodium, Dr. Bleich said, so be sure to read nutrition labels and opt for products that keep those ingredients to a minimum.

Myth No. 2: All fat is bad.

When studies published in the late 1940s found correlations between high-fat diets and high levels of cholesterol, experts reasoned that if you reduced the amount of total fats in your diet, your risk for heart disease would go down. By the 1980s, doctors, federal health experts, the food industry and the news media were reporting that a low-fat diet could benefit everyone, even though there was no solid evidence that doing so would prevent issues like heart disease or overweight and obesity.
Dr. Vijaya Surampudi, an assistant professor of medicine at the University of California, Los Angeles, Center for Human Nutrition, said that as a result, the vilification of fats led many people — and food manufacturers — to replace calories from fat with calories from refined carbohydrates like white flour and added sugar. (Remember SnackWell’s?) “Instead of helping the country stay slim, the rates of overweight and obesity went up significantly,” she said.

In reality, Dr. Surampudi added, not all fats are bad. While certain types of fats, including saturated and trans fats, can increase your risk for conditions like heart disease or stroke, healthy fats — like monounsaturated fats (found in olive and other plant oils, avocados and certain nuts and seeds) and polyunsaturated fats (found in sunflower and other plant oils, walnuts, fish and flaxseeds) — actually help reduce your risk. Good fats are also important for supplying energy, producing important hormones, supporting cell function and aiding in the absorption of some nutrients.

If you see a product labeled “fat-free,” don’t automatically assume it is healthy, Dr. Surampudi said. Instead, prioritize products with simple ingredients and no added sugars.

Myth No. 3: ‘Calories in, calories out’ is the most important factor for long-term weight gain.

It’s true that if you consume more calories than you burn, you will probably gain weight. And if you burn more calories than you consume, you will probably lose weight — at least for the short term.

But the research does not suggest that eating more will cause sustained weight gain that results in becoming overweight or obese. “Rather, it’s the types of foods we eat that may be the long-term drivers” of those conditions, said Dr. Dariush Mozaffarian, a professor of nutrition and medicine at the Friedman School of Nutrition Science and Policy at Tufts University. Ultraprocessed foods — such as refined starchy snacks, cereals, crackers, energy bars, baked goods, sodas and sweets — can be particularly harmful for weight gain, as they are rapidly digested and flood the bloodstream with glucose, fructose and amino acids, which are converted to fat by the liver. Instead, what’s needed for maintaining a healthy weight is a shift from counting calories to prioritizing healthy eating overall — quality over quantity.

Myth No. 4: People with Type 2 diabetes shouldn’t eat fruit.

This myth stems from conflating fruit juices — which can raise blood sugar levels because of their high sugar and low fiber content — with whole fruits.

But research has found that this isn’t the case. Some studies show, for instance, that those who consume one serving of whole fruit per day — particularly blueberries, grapes and apples — have a lower risk of developing Type 2 diabetes. And other research suggests that if you already have Type 2 diabetes, eating whole fruits can help control your blood sugar.
It’s time to bust this myth, said Dr. Linda Shiue, an internist and the director of culinary medicine and lifestyle medicine at Kaiser Permanente San Francisco, adding that everyone — including those with Type 2 diabetes — can benefit from the health-promoting nutrients in fruit like fiber, vitamins, minerals and antioxidants.

Myth No. 5: Plant milk is healthier than dairy milk.

There’s a perception that plant-based milks, such as those made from oats, almonds, rice and hemp, are more nutritious than cow’s milk. “It’s just not true,” said Kathleen Merrigan, a professor of sustainable food systems at Arizona State University and a former U.S. deputy secretary of agriculture. Consider protein: Typically, cow’s milk has about eight grams of protein per cup, whereas almond milk typically has around one or two grams per cup, and oat milk usually has around two or three grams per cup. While the nutrition of plant-based beverages can vary, Dr. Merrigan said, many have more added ingredients — like sodium and added sugars, which can contribute to poor health — than cow’s milk.

Myth No. 6: White potatoes are bad for you.

Potatoes have often been vilified in the nutrition community because of their high glycemic index — which means they contain rapidly digestible carbohydrates that can spike your blood sugar. However, potatoes can actually be beneficial for health, said Daphene Altema-Johnson, a program officer of food communities and public health at the Johns Hopkins Center for a Livable Future. They are rich in vitamin C, potassium, fiber and other nutrients, especially when consumed with the skin. They are also inexpensive and found year-round in grocery stores, making them more accessible. Healthier preparation methods include roasting, baking, boiling and air frying.

Myth No. 7: You should never feed peanut products to your children within their first few years of life.

For years, experts told new parents that the best way to prevent their children from developing food allergies was to avoid feeding them common allergenic foods, like peanuts or eggs, during their first few years of life. But now, allergy experts say, it’s better to introduce peanut products to your child early on.
If your baby does not have severe eczema or a known food allergy, you can start introducing peanut products (such as watered-down peanut butter, peanut puffs or peanut powders, but not whole peanuts) at around 4 to 6 months, when your baby is ready for solids. Start with two teaspoons of smooth peanut butter mixed with water, breast milk or formula, two to three times a week, said Dr. Ruchi Gupta, a professor of pediatrics and the director of the Center for Food Allergy & Asthma Research at the Northwestern Feinberg School of Medicine. If your baby has severe eczema, first ask your pediatrician or an allergist about starting peanut products around 4 months. “It is also important to feed your baby a diverse diet in their first year of life to prevent food allergies,” Dr. Gupta said.

Myth No. 8: The protein in plants is incomplete.

“‘Where do you get your protein?’ is the No. 1 question vegetarians get asked,” said Christopher Gardner, a nutrition scientist and professor of medicine at Stanford University. “The myth is that plants are completely missing some amino acids,” also known as the building blocks of proteins, he said. But in reality, all plant-based foods contain all 20 amino acids, including all nine essential amino acids, Dr. Gardner said; the difference is that the proportion of these amino acids isn’t as ideal as the proportion of amino acids in animal-based foods. So, to get an adequate mix, you simply need to eat a variety of plant-based foods throughout the day — such as beans, grains and nuts — and eat enough total protein. Luckily, most Americans get more than enough protein each day. “It’s easier than most people think,” Dr. Gardner said.

Myth No. 9: Eating soy-based foods can increase the risk of breast cancer.

High doses of plant estrogens in soy called isoflavones have been found to stimulate breast tumor cell growth in animal studies. “However, this relationship has not been substantiated in human studies,” said Dr. Frank B. Hu, a professor and the chair of the department of nutrition at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. So far, the science does not indicate a link between soy intake and breast cancer risk in humans. Instead, consuming soy-based foods and drinks — like tofu, tempeh, edamame, miso and soy milk — may even have a protective effect toward breast cancer risk and survival. “Soy foods are also a powerhouse of beneficial nutrients related to reduced heart disease risk, such as high-quality protein, fiber, vitamins and minerals,” Dr. Hu said. The research is clear: Feel confident incorporating soy foods into your diet.

Myth No. 10: Fundamental nutrition advice keeps changing — a lot.

This is not the case, said Dr. Marion Nestle, a professor emerita of nutrition, food studies and public health at New York University. “In the 1950s, the first dietary recommendations for prevention of obesity, Type 2 diabetes, heart disease and the like advised balancing calories and minimizing foods high in saturated fat, salt and sugar. The current U.S. Dietary Guidelines urge the same.” Yes, science evolves, but the bottom-line dietary guidance remains consistent. As author Michael Pollan distilled to seven simple words: “Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.” That advice worked 70 years ago, and it still does today, Dr. Nestle said. And it leaves plenty of room for eating foods you love


(Bob M) #2

Frank Hu, Marion Nestle, Dariush Mozaffarian…I could hit my head against a wall for these folks.

And this…

But research has found that this isn’t the case. Some studies show, for instance, that those who consume one serving of whole fruit per day — particularly blueberries, grapes and apples — have a lower risk of developing Type 2 diabetes.

They used crapidemiology, where people WHO EAT “one serving” of whole fruit per day happen to be better off than others. They probably are wealthier, care more about what they eat, drink less, smoke less, etc. than others.


(Joey) #3

Oy.


(Chuck) #4

While I definitely understand poverty, seeing I grew up as a share croppers son. I was also taught that real food is the life giving substance for all humans. And over my lifetime I have made the mistakes of eating crap processed food, fast food, and artificial sweeteners and crap that when you read the labels looks like some chemistry project. My health suffered badly because of it. But I have returned to real food and my body is definitely healing and I am much healthier for it.
But I agree too much of anything is bad for our health. So I don’t overeat anything anymore, I keep my nutrition intake balanced! Unless someone has allergies then they should be able to eat any real food, plant, meat, or dairy in correct amounts without issues, it is the crap that the food industry brew up that is causing the staggering health problems the world faces. And then the drug industry steps in making matters worse by brewing up more foreign chemical compounds to mask certain symptoms and create other health problems at the same time. Our own food and drug manufacturers are killing us.


(Edith) #5

So close? Not so sure about that but maybe some useful points.

Myth #1: Dispelling this myth is good for people who can’t afford or who don’t have access to fresh fruits and vegetable.

Myth #2: Still vilifying animal fats, but it is good to see them pointing out replacing fat with carbs was not a good thing. I am really getting sick of the animal fats bad, only fats from nuts and seeds good argument.

Myth #3: Okay, yes, pointing out that the consumption of ultra processed foods is bad and that it’s not just calories-in/calories-out.

Myth 4: Yeah… well… I’ll ask the forum members with Type 2 diabetes to weigh in on this one, but saying eating fruit can help control blood sugar? This does not sit right with me. One can get the same “health-promoting nutrients like fiber, vitamins, minerals, and antioxidants” without eating sugar containing fruit." This just seems to me like the plant-based “experts” are just sooooo unwilling to say it is possible that a fruit or vegetable might not be a healthy option for a good portion of the population.

Myth 5: Yes, I do believe this is true, but of course, not everyone can drink milk. I’m also not sure if we really should be drinking milk as a population anyway. When my children were teenagers, if they consumed too much dairy, they broke out with acne. I have read articles mentioning that as well, so it’s not just my own observations. It’s possible there wouldn’t be such an acne epidemic among teens if they didn’t consume so much dairy.

Myth 6: Again, for people who aren’t following low carb, I also believe potatoes aren’t that bad. If you are a low income person, eating potatoes can be a good, inexpensive source of calories. They contain vitamin c and potassium. Most people are probably not eating these baked though.

Myth 7: Won’t comment on that.

Myth 8: Oh, come on! Who are they kidding! What do they mean by “all plant based foods contain all 20 amino acids?” Here’s an example for wheat.

According to “https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3189758/#:~:text=Glutenins%20and%20gliadins%20are%20recognized,in%20nutritionally%20important%20amino%20acids

Glutenins and gliadins are recognized as the major wheat storage proteins, constituting about 75–85% of the total grain proteins with a ratio of about 1:1 in common or bread wheat [3,11] and they tend to be rich in asparagine, glutamine, arginine or proline [12] but very low in nutritionally important amino acids lysine, tryptophan and methionine [13].

Yes, maybe wheat does contain lysine and other import amino acids, but certainly not in any quantity that matters. I think this supposedly busted myth is being downright deceptive.

Myth 9: Not really going to weigh in this one, because I haven’t read any studies on this topic.

Myth 10: I think this one is a bunch of BS, as well, but I’m running out of time, and will let someone else debunk this myth debunking.

Overall, the article left me cranky. :rage:


(Robin) #6

I agree with all the replies, but still… progress is progress.
(Can you tell I like to view the world in rose colored glasses?) :heart_eyes:


(Peter - Don't Fear the Fat ) #7

No6 Potatoes - they’ve gone from being a healthy staple to being unhealthy and back and forward again and again.
Mrs Pjam is very reluctant to give up carbs despite struggling with rice and the processed wheat pasta and wheat bread.
Potato’s however she seems to thrive on! It’s about the only thing I watch her eat with interest.


(KM) #8

May I pick up where you left off on number 10? What a bunch of BS. First of all nutritional information has changed enormously, and the public has suffered horrendously at the hands of bad advice. Second, pretty much everything they’re saying substantiates the idea that eating animals is just fine - or relies on more or less nothing to demonize the idea. And they just finished saying that eating more does not necessarily correlate with weight gain. So what is this ‘eat plants not too much’ crap? How about don’t eat too much plants!


#9

Cold potatoes are resistant starch from what I know. So, I assume some version of potato salad could be Keto?


(Edith) #10

One 148g potato had 26g of carbs. Only 4.6g of that is resistant starch. I’m not sure that’s worth all the rest of the carbs.


#11

Well, I’m upping my carbs gradually to see where my maintenance limit is. I’d rather try yam though than potato.


(Geoffrey) #12

This just proves that both mainstream nutritionist and medicine choose to be ignorant because it’s easier and less embarrassing to keep telling the lies while only feeding everyone just a smidgen of truth rather than admitting they were wrong all along and showing everyone what fools they’ve been.


#13

But they almost only water… They have a minuscule amount of plant matter (and some nut or oat isn’t even so very nutritious), their nutritional value must be very close to the one of water… Who ever thought such a silly thing? Or that all fat is bad, it’s a very long known fact that fat is essential…

Sure. If you have only potatoes, it’s probably better to eat them than starve to death… Of course, deficiencies will happen but they can be healed later.
Vitamin C… I have serious doubts I get the higher vitamin C need on a carby woe from thoroughly cooked potatoes or even anything close… But I don’t actually know what happens to the vitamin C content during cooking, I would be interested. Like, I roast the potatoes for 60 minutes in the oven at some temperature, what happens? No idea.
Potatoes are super tasty and nothing can replace them but definitely not healthy for me personally. Too much carbs, too expensive for the near zero satiating effect, it mess up my macros causing overeating… And I am not the only one. Potato easily is a problem food for very many.

While technically true (I never used to eat food I didn’t love), eating plants would very painfully cut into my more fav food consumption.
I can’t even eat as much as I want from eggs AND meat AND dairy as I don’t need that much food… I may have an unfortunate dietary past and overeating tendencies but too many people are the same… At least I changed my ways and mostly cut out my overeating triggering number one group, plants.

Somehow I read an article myself. They studied and think very thoroughly about 100% fruit juice going to our “five a day”. I wasn’t even aware this is a term, wow, I met the number 5 but it’s just in dietary guidelines people ignore anyway. It’s so stupid as we have 5 TIMES a day, not portions and who should eat so many times to begin with? Very few people I assume.
The article author actually had a working brain, they had good points, too bad they started with the allegedly widely accepted statement that a health-conscious person eats vegs and fruits galore. And they bemoaned the fact that the vast majority of people don’t do that. Hence the easy to consume fruit juice. (IDK what one need to prepare on a fruit and why storage is a problem at all but I went too deep into this already…) They seemed so desperate to force lots of fruits to everyone… I don’t get it but it won’t happen anyway.

Yes, I am pretty sure there is a huge correlation. A study should use the same people or at least a similar group. People who eat more fruit are often more health-conscious and this is a big difference. They are more likely females too, IDK where is it elsewhere but in my country women goes to the doctor way more readily… There are a lot of such factors. The article I have read talked about the price of fruits, they are often expensive just like vegs, indeed so no wonder that really poor people eat less. They need their money for more useful food (erm, people are usually aren’t this smart and informed and anyway, there are their desires so they rather buy treats. and store-bought fruits aren’t always tasty… but still, they still want to get satiated and fruits aren’t good at that especially alone). But poor people probably have a worse health too, for various reasons but it’s not the lack of the fruit, probably. Maybe they would do better with fruit as they eat something worse instead but it doesn’t make the fruit necessarily healthy and a great idea for everyone who doesn’t eat it galore.
It’s complicated. I still don’t know how the idea about fruits being oh so super healthy and essential came from… They are mostly water, sugar (usually extremely much) and fiber. They have other things but they all can get from other, better food items…


#14

I really dislike when they say “but it contains these good things!!!”. Other, better food may contain the same things! Give me a PROPER reason why I should eat fruit and not something else. (They won’t find any beyond them being absolutely adorable and super tasty, well, some more than others and some aren’t even too sugary. I really like lemon and I don’t need to overeat it for some flavor and feeling a bit refreshed. More like a few drops :wink: So eating fruits is good for me mentally. As long as it’s extremely low-carb on most days.)

I see this all the time. Oh this thing contains good things so you totally will be healthier if you eat it. NOPE. If I get my essential nutrients ANYWAY (or even better as I don’t need a too big part of my food being fruits… it takes some of the better things away if I don’t want to overeat), I am fine and I rather wouldn’t bring the negative things for the unnecessary boost.

I agree that milk is a too pushed too… I don’t see it now but when I was a kid, we had a slogan “Milk is life, strength, health!”. They still advice children drinking and eating it all the time… I really love dairy but I can handle it and it’s not essential in big amounts… And we probably all heard about kids who didn’t thrive on lots of dairy…

Even if the dietary advice would be absolutely perfect for the average person, it’s very wrong and harmful to feed our kids or ourselves according to it. We are individuals, we may have special needs, sensitivities, circumstances… I fear too many people just follows advice without really looking at their own case. Of course, finding our near ideal woe may take time and effort, even lots of experimenting… People often don’t like that. They follow some official or popular magazin advice and they aren’t just unfit for them, they are typically horrible as we know. Sad. More people should think(,read, experiment…) for themselves.

I don’t consider potatoes inexpensive. It’s not very nutritionally dense. Much water, much carbs, not good for satiation for many. Better for others though. But I am poor enough to count what carbs are worth it more but potatoes are just too expensive. I can get 5 times more protein, some more carbs and WAAAAAAY more satiation for that price if I just buy and cook split peas. I used some very cheap potatoes here, if I go to the local supermarket, that’s way more costly. But not so much for split peas and anyway, they are dry and dense and last long… I can just buy a lot in the city. Potatoes spoil too, oh and I didn’t consider the peel… Tasty stuff but too expensive if one truly needs to focus on getting most of their money.
Of course, the situation may be different in some other country…?


(Bacon is a many-splendoured thing) #15

Yeah, dietary “guidance” that refuses to change, despite the evolving science, because economic interests are too invested in the system as it is.


(Bacon is a many-splendoured thing) #16

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Zoë Harcombe’s version of this is, “Eat food, mostly meat, and quite a lot, actually.”


(Bacon is a many-splendoured thing) #17

Potatoes contain something like 1.8% resistant starch. By a process of heating and cooling repeatedly, that percentage can be increased to 2.46%, according to one study I read.


#18

This resistant starch thing always was so weird to me and yes, it didn’t seem significant… I won’t bother with such things, what about just don’t eating (much) starch at all? :smiley: It’s pretty easy. But I know people have their own complicated everything (sensitivities, beliefs, desires, circumstances, whatever). I am a lazy one and I like my very low-carb items just fine, I don’t want to think and research a ton regarding starches…


#19

What works for some does not work for others. Take the example of Okinawa. On a percent basis, they have among the most centenarians in the world. Yet their diet is about 85-90% carbs AND they have among the highest incidences of stomach cancers. The country that has the most (absolute number) of centenarians is the USA at just under 100,000. This would suggest there are many triggers and levers involved and not just diet. Access to proper healthcare is probably the main reason.


(Bob M) #20

I think also family support (we in the US tend to ignore older folks, while the older folks are more important in places like Japan), how connected you are to others (religious tend to live longer, probably because it’s harder to be separated from others), stress, etc.