NoCarbvember Adventure!


#141

probably the gravy. I had it too :slight_smile: the meat was seasoned different than your normal meat so that could have added a bit but I remember when I started zc, Charles Washington from Zeroing in on Health (ZIOH) said alot of new zc people might do a bit of gravy when out or social eating cause it is what is on the meat and they have reactions. So if you have a reaction after gravy that could be it LOL but alot of zc people can do a ‘tad’ of gravy and be ok but I was a reactor also. I dumped gravy after a while, thinking I wanted it for over my meat but in the end, every time I tried a little commercial jarred gravy like that, my tummy would burn a bit from it so I knew I was not one to do well on it at all.

Real sorry FB about the crazy at your job!! All the fallout from the crazy covid stuff and more is gonna now be seen as it rolls down the economic line for any business/institutions that need to change to survive and the poor employees are a big chunk of that trouble coming for them financially and more.

It does have to be very unnerving to have management on the prowl and more cause that would be freaking me out also…ugh. Feel for you on that but always remember one thing and we all know this :), any food will never change any of this going down. We need comfort you find that big old steak, rip into like a caveman and get your emotions/anger/worry out on that meat HAHA

One thing I changed alot on with zc longer term is clearer thinking in that no carby/junky food will change anything about situations we all face, that the only thing is misery from those foods later and boy that part of it stinks :wink: but it also shows that we can’t ‘use food’ anymore for a crutch. I sure used it that way til the day my thinking of clarity on zc changed my thought process of food is just not an answer to life problems. I always say now ‘let it go, let it go’ and just face troubles as they come as it is what it is, what can I change about it, or just find peace and acceptance in those changes that ‘lurk around us’ and unsettle us. I was never one to do that, I was a brooder, worrywart over troubles, now I am a fast thinker about the situation and just get acceptance around it a bit and say ‘let it go’ LOL I tell ya in full truth this has made my life so much better. I don’t have that weighted down shoulders of crud on me like before, with a clean, clear body and its signals showing more healing and health, it is like my train of thought and approach on any life situations just fall into an acceptable parameter for me with more acceptance and thought on it ya know. Well, I don’t know how to type all that out but I changed definitely on how I react to my life and what nails me. But work stuff like you are facing is very unsettling and only hope you come thru all the changes etc. in fine form!!

A NY Strip steak you got FB! Ahh you should like it, let me know what you think of this cut. I can live on them, wait, I do HAHA

I know. i was a cook prepper in the beginning and ya make all this stuff to be sure you have food and boom, not much hunger or none, I so get that. This is important now to try a nibble or 2 every now and then even if not hungry, you might just tuck in and eat a good bit and you feel great, or you know you are really not hungry and just don’t eat. But your hunger signals are adjusting now and even if not hungry and newer on plan, be sure to try some food cause you might eat it all up and it might surprise you. I did that. I cooked a steak saying there is no way I want this one bit, haven’t eaten in a good while and thought, damn I need to friggin’ eat something at sometime, made that steak and thought, ugh, gonna fridge it for later probably but once cooked, omg I slammed into that steak at full speed and it was so yummy all the time chowing down I kept saying, I ain’t hungry LOL It is strange how our body signals will adjust so just keep an eye on you :slight_smile: very normal stuff thru beginning zc.

-------------------------HI Everyone

lake is wonderful. peaceful. the state park is so quiet and nice.

went out to explore the little town out here in the woods area and then the family hit a few shops, yea dessert shops. ugh. fudge shops, bakery stuff and bought a bunch of junk. At the campsite they were oohing and ahhing over how delish this and that was and I got friggin’ jealous. Just emotional jealousy of the old ‘life is unfair’ they can eat what they want and I can’t go down that road…but in the end I got over it. Always happens one day on my vacation times they eat the crap and I get jealous LOL so I am very very used to this scenario. I went in the rv and cooked up a big old pan of my taylor ham and savored that as they got ickier and ickier from eating crap. Later I got the ‘oh my tummy is icky’ and I said to hubby, and that is why you feel like crap and I feel wonderful! We hiked some and even kid wanted to cut the hike short cause her belly was off…ahhh all those sweets my dear :slight_smile: Not me, I wanted to go on but family said they wanted back to campsite to ‘rest’…yea, rest from the carb intake :wink: I came thru fine on this trip. 100% ZC…oh wait, a darn bite of some seafood/crab dip stuff my kid got at the restaurant, it was good but I knew it was carb loaded with ‘who knows what’, like FB’s processed stuff so I tasted it and good, coulda ate alot more, but did not.

So far so good on this trip and eating zc is no problem except for a few jealousy periods which I am now getting used to in my life.

today is giant Tbone steak on the grill. Got 2 massive steaks! I get 1 and hubby and kid share the other :slight_smile: got sausage and chicken for later food if wanted.

ZC guys is every meal meat/seafood/fish. Hold onto that. Just tackle every meal that is next, no use ever trying to figure out too far past that next meal. What next meal you eat is epic and important, the others in the future are just that, in the future and mean nothing, but the meal you are eating right now is the meal that is a choice, a decision and if you want zc as a plan and try it to see your results/benefits from it, then ya gotta be eating zc :sunny: ZC ON ALL!


(Kellyn ) #142

Hang in there, Kismet. Life is all about ups and downs. I’ve done a lot of research on zero carb and I am confident your mood and feelings will stabilize. I was generally in a good mood until I was hit with family drama from every angle. It overwhelmed me on top of all the other disasters of 2020. I am feeling somewhat better today. At least the “black cloud” has lifted and I am not feeling hopeless today. I did manage to keep from eating the chocolate bar, pound cake, bread, and cookies that kept showing up all day yesterday. I just ate so much meat I did not want any of it. I definitely count that as a win.

This was definitely a huge help yesterday.

Congrats!

I hope everything turns out ok, Daisy. Prayer is so powerful and through our troubles it is comforting to know that God is always by our side.
This is so true, and I am so grateful I got on the forums yesterday and was given the motivation to avoid the carbs that kept calling out to me and making me think the sugar high would make me feel better. In reality had I have given in, after I downed some of the sugary foods I would have felt so much worse. The temporary sugar high was just not worth it.

So true, Fangs. Downing all that sugar would not have changed my situation. I have found new ways to come with feeling down and feeling sadness. I never thought before that could do that instead of turning to food as I have my whole life. I am so grateful that problems like this hit after being over 100 days zero carb than at the beginning.
Yesterday I ate a lot of hamburger patties, I really don’t even know how much. I just know that I was very full going to bed. This morning I had three eggs w/ butter and some coffee with HWC. I brought more burgers topped with swiss cheese for later whenever I get hungry. I don’t see that as being anytime soon.
Again I just wanted to thank you all here for your concern and outpouring of love and advice yesterday. I don’t think I would have made it through the day zero carb without each one of you. Love to you all!


(Murphy Kismet) #143

Interesting idea. I think I do that too, in that if I’m feeling emotional, I’ll grab some cheese and ham/meat, and mow down on that until that “empty” feeling goes away, and then pride myself that I did NOT eat the carbs, yay. I might feel uncomfortably full, but it aint with carbage. :grin::innocent:
And I feel particularly proud of myself when I do that beside DH and his bag of chips.

When you get past those moments, and come out stronger (it’s the meat yaknow), and then you remember, once again, that Yes, I can do it, I am doing it.


(Murphy Kismet) #144

When those days get really bad and forceful, I tell myself that sugar is the “other white powder”, and can do as much damage, physiologically, psychologically.

And if I may be a bit…my 28yo daughter is a crack addict, so I tell myself if I expect her to “get clean”, then I gotta do it too. I know it’s not the same, but in a way it is? Triggers the same areas in the brain as coke does. I’ll remind myself that sugar/carbs are, indeed, drugs like coke and crack. And I’ll need my “fix” about 3 hours after that last “hit”. I don’t want to be a prisoner to cravings.


(Murphy Kismet) #145

It’s the store I work at the received the donation of chocolates. (I work at Value Village in Canada, part of Savers in the U.S., and we operate on donations mostly, unless we buy directly from our charity, Diabetes Canada lol) I actually peeked into the garbage a few times, mulled it over, then marched away again. lmao

I get that. Even though we know it’s meat-based, it looks like something else.
That was my crutch: non-zc-like foods, ie: chicken loaf. It can satisfy a person’s psychological need to eat bread, and it can start a mental cascade of processed “but it’s ZC!” consumption.

Gotta stay real, as real as possible. Even bacon is becoming less “real” for me, and I no longer crave it as much, even with the addition of blue cheese. Just yesterday, I had the “munchies”, and reached for the bacon, but it didn’t “feel” right yaknow? So I grabbed a container of frozen ground meat w/cream cheese (colloquially known as “dog food” in our house :yum: named by DH :crazy_face: :joy:)
With that said, I look over at my now-empty bowl of boiled and mashed eggs with my bacon “croutons” on top. I’ll add it as a condiment to a meal, there ya go. :sunglasses:


(Edith) #146

Gravy is frequently thickened with wheat flour.
How was your digestive tract today?


#147

Yea VE, it is the flour, same darn flour crap they put into seafood salad we buy from the deli. ups the carbs and anyone with grain issues etc…ugh.

back at ya and thanks to everyone being carnivore strong, it always helps me to think of comrades in arms doing the same plan as me and we can find alot of strength in that support bond for sure!!!

yes this is a wonderful point you make. You should be darn proud!!

you know when we are on a plan that ‘restricts kcals’ etc. we ‘can’t eat to help us cause then we blow thru our limits of kcals’ and think poorly of ourselves…but with zc, when in doubt eat. and eat more and more and all you need cause we have no limits on our plan LOL We can eat all we must eat, even if pushing that fullness level but that is what keeps us off the carbage and plants and fruit and more. And I am like you, I feel wonderful I can eat all I want without any guilt ‘of a diet’ plan cause zc isn’t any of that crazy dieting plan stuff.

you got a great attitude about that. You know it was hard for to accept I could eat all the zc food I need in a day if I ‘need’ it for whatever situaiton, but once I figured that out, all zc food is fair game every day of my life, I gained a more calm apporach on this lifestyle.

I didn’t want to be a prisoner to ‘diet plans’ anymore with all the tracking and more, so I sure hear you on that part of life. Freedom! from some of our addictions, it is nice to achieve!


(Murphy Kismet) #148

Thank you @KellynP.

From my own research—reading Kelly Hogan’s experience—I figure i’ll give it a good six months (end of March) and see what’s happening. If it IS enviromental, ie: covid, I really hope that A) my health and B) this shitshow settles itself out by then. If not then at least A) cuz y mind is tearing me apart right now. I need to stop reading about all of it, but the other side is that I feel like I need to know what else is coming down the pipeline. So I continue to read, and continue to get more and more upset at the whole stupidity of it all. but that’s another rant :upside_down_face:

And that’s what gets me: the idea of “looking up” and “seeing the positive” but then how to we prepare for the negative? Like the movie Life is Beautiful, a really beautiful movie about hiding the realities of WWII concentration camp atrocities from your 4yo son. But now that boy has no idea what’s going on with the tanks in the street, etc.

I’m torn. And the only thing i can do right now is focus on my mental health via carnivore, and hope for the best. Like taking pills: gotta wait to see how my body reacts to this, I guess. However, I am thoroughly enjoying all this meat I can eat! :yum::yum::yum:


(Daisy) #149

I broke my fast with a cup of salted bone broth while I cooked my meal. Today’s meal consisted of a lamb leg steak that had the cutest little marrow bone (and yes I ate the marrow), 3 eggs cooked in bacon grease and topped with whipped tallow, crispy salmon skin, my last little chunk of old croc cheese, chicken liver pâté, salted pork, and a couple little pads of butter.


(Kellyn ) #150

oh my goodness! That looks amazing! I love lamb and old croc cheese is my favorite. I really love their horseradish cheese. I absolutely love your carving board plate. I’ve gotta get me one. I’m so jealous of your meal…it’s making me hungry. :drooling_face:


(Daisy) #151

Thank you, I’m still waiting to hear back from my HR manager. I’ve had a Bible verse in my email signature since the start of quarantine (I kept one on my board previously). It’s never been an issue and it’s always a comforting verse (currently John 3:16, but previously is usually about peace and not being afraid). I’ve gotten nothing but positive feedback from it. Suddenly yesterday my boss called and said I needed to remove it. I calmly informed her I wished to formally appeal it and although taken aback by my reaction, she escalated to senior management. So I have not removed it and will not remove it until I hear from management.


(Edith) #152

Do you make the chicken liver pate yourself, and if so, can you post your recipe?


(Karnivore) #153

perhaps! i THINK that i don’t like decaf diet coke as much as the normal, but if we eat out, i don’t think they offer that. maybe i’ll just cut down the amount i drink slowly until i don’t feel like i’m going to fall asleep on my feet! i wanted to replace diet coke with black coffee so it could still wake me up, but without the addictive sweetness.


(Kellyn ) #154

One think that has been hard for me to get used to on zero carb is the breakfast, lunch, and dinner mentality. What I mean by this is that I look at the clock and think, “It’s lunchtime so time to eat” even if I am not hungry. It’s hard to stop this habit. Like just now, I was thinking it’s 12:00 and you have not eaten lunch yet. I had to make myself think about whether I am truly hungry. The only time this is not an issue is if I am busy and don’t even look at the clock. I can’t really do this at work which is why most days I eat at lunchtime even if not hungry. Something that helps, when I actually do it, is walking on my planned lunch break. I can eat at my desk anytime when I am hungry so I find this helps when I have the chance to walk. Also, walking makes me feel better, especially when I get to walk outside and get some sunshine. I should have done this yesterday, but I was so down, I did not. I just stuffed my face with hamburger and watched youtube videos.


(Polly) #155

YouTube videos are a good way to put aside bad feelings. I particularly enjoyed several series on beekeeping when we were moving house a few years ago. (Much more stressful than anyone expects). The bees were so calming and the beekeepers catastrophes and successes absolutely mesmerising. I can thoroughly recommend!


(Kellyn ) #156

sounds very interesting. I will have to check that out.


(Daisy) #157

Oh yes, I make it myself :smile: I loosely use ketogenic girl’s recipe, but adapt it to my taste. I take a couple slices of bacon and fry it to desired doneness. Set those aside and fry about a half pound of chicken livers in the bacon grease and salt to taste. Once they’re browned, I add about a half cup of bone broth (I use homemade) and cook to about medium rare. Take everything and add to food processor with the bacon. Add 4 tablespoons of melted butter and process to smooth. Taste and add more salt if needed. Pour into desired containers (I use the tiny glass Pyrex containers) and pour a thin layer of melted butter on top. Then I pop them in the freezer until I’m ready. To be honest, I never measure, so sometimes I have less liver, sometimes more and it’s always delicious!!


(Murphy Kismet) #158

My mother told me once that she eats because the clocks tells her to. Turns out she had hypothyroid and was never hungry, and would only eat because “it’s time for [meal]”.

I can kinda see how that mentality might help a person actually eat, ie: following a pre-determined eating time that we all learned from the get-go I might add. So it’s like a Pavlovian reaction: see clock tell a certain time and tagalong thought is “meal time”. But not “eating time”?

We have “meal times”. Set times during the day around which most of society has been built, ie:

  • breakfast before school/work,
  • lunch breaks at work/school (and now with added snack breaks!),
  • supper “with family” once all are back at homebase

But are we actually hungry at those times, specifically? I mean, now we are because our bodies have become accustomed to consuming something at regular times/intervals during the day, as have our minds.

So not only do we have to overcome our body’s response to seeing a certain time numbers, but we also have to re-teach our minds to rethink why we might “feel” hungry at certain times. Cognitive Behaviour Therapy would help with this: becoming cognizant of our behaviour around certaing stimuli/triggers, and then adapting our responses, ie: “I chose not to consume foods at this TIME as my body is not asking for actual food.”


(Murphy Kismet) #159

As a sealant?


(Daisy) #160

Yeah it helps seal it. And since I use kerrygold, just adds to the deliciousness when I eat it :joy: