Ah yes, totally my own self imposed rule. I try not to eat at all at work as I figured night time is when my gut should get a rest. I try to eat when the sun is up only.
Following my rule does mean that it reduces me to 2MAD though by default as I sleep all day long. Probably combined with a challenging hike the day before last, must have just needed more food than I got in to me perhaps.
NoCarbvember Adventure!
JulesyMcJulesface
(JJ)
#201
Shinita
#202
I donât know when I will be able to just glance backâŚ
I think about food way too much, I donât want to read much or even write⌠So it wonât be my planned big report⌠Or maybe it will. It seems such a huge chore but if I just write as usual, I probably will include most infos I wanted.
In short? Nothing to report 
Longer? Oh my.
I noticed no changes yet except the usual super strong satiation, lack of desire and hunger and drastically lowered calorie intake. But not too low, just fine. I donât starve. If I really must, sometimes I softly force-feed myself but I donât starve.
Problem? A little and itâs all because I so didnât care about my food that I simply didnât cook for myself. It alone would be fine but my usual cold stuff, egg sandwiches or something, I was already bored of them when I began. I canât eat much simple egg dishes now, it nicely suits the very few eggs we have now but we should buy some in the groceryâs or else I wonât have enough food to eat.
We STILL didnât visit the butcher, we better do it soon, I plan Tuesday. Almost all my normal (not cured) meat during the week was something I am not particularly fond of, chicken or hake fish. I still appreciated the chicken, the soup was great and it belonged to it but still. I had no pork, sadly (now I have), only turkey (we ate it yesterday)⌠So I had 2 problem days. Day 1 had no proper meat and I had nothing but food I didnât want anymore. I ate little. Day 2 was worse as it was a continuation but with a bit boring fish in some boring form and my body wanted more food. So it got more food. For my 3rd(?) meal, it was soft force-feeding until nausea but I did it 
And I felt so well afterwards
So, no surprise, I half-knew but forgot: I have to prepare some food I find tempting. But it was good I could see what I do in such situation
And I will keep sour cream at home all the time⌠It helps a ton. But meat soup is the winner in helpfulness. I started to have problems when both my soup and sour cream run out.
Of course, I have plans to get more and more varied meat too.
I cycled 40km yesterday (beautiful weather and much uphill) and I got a whole pound of meat per person with it It was exercise and food shopping in once. But itâs enough for now and we got various cheeses (I only had Gouda during the week and I am a bit bored of it now. I mean, I can taste it but I canât use it when I need some extra and I already ate a little of it. I have this thing when I ate everything I have and I am hungry,. I have more of what I have eaten but I already ate from them. some super tempting stuff are still tempting then but I easily run out of them). And some sour cream, only 800g but we had no much room and itâs easy to buy good enough sour cream in the villageâŚ
We visit the city maybe 2 weeks later but itâs not as important as in the past. Especially if I can get some more proper meat from the next village as I can do in our village, thatâs just boring chicken and I had enough (still makes good soup, though). Except liver. I tried turkey liver and itâs harder and less tempting to me. So I prefer chicken liver and turkey meat (except breast, of course, I wouldnât touch it if possible). If I donât have some fatty pork.
Since we got back from our shopping, I donât have problems But I had to bake livers when I realized I still need something different. So I did
So, my week. After my first 2 OMAD days, itâs many meals a day, I hope nicer food will help with it though most of the extra meals were tiny so they werenât particularly inconvenient.
Interestingly, I always eat at 11pm for the last time, no matter how much I eat or when I eat first. Though the latter isnât very varied, itâs usually 3-5pm. Even on weekends (fine, not today, it was 13:30 but I was active yesterday and still didnât eat much. I expected this) now, itâs a bit new, I onty have this since a few weeks. But very, very convenient. I came home from the 40km cycling around 15:30, I thought about food and rest too much but if I was hungry, it would have been much worse.
But hunger, I donât have it anymore or itâs just some super temporal weak thing. A few seconds twinge and itâs not even reliable as it doesnât happen when I feel I need food but way earlier. I have a few versions of this not-really-hunger. I have a rare stomach-hunger, I have an old mealtime-hunger⌠And I think I had a exercise-and-weekends-so-earlier-mealtime-hunger yesterdayâŚ
Not important but itâs entertaining to categorize them, okay?
I ignore them all but they are just not annoying twinges and all my urges are absent or point at the other direction when they happen anyway so no chance of eating, it would make no sense anyway. I would just get full with an egg but it would trigger a long series of tiny meals, I hate that. No, I eat when I feel I should. Itâs clear enough, my body is very persistent when it wants food, impossible to miss and very hard to ignore
Figuring out when to stop eating is more difficult. Oh and all these urges may be totally different when I do carnivore in different times. Itâs not always the same. Back then I had this perfectness for clueless newbies⌠I suddenly got slightly hungry and I ate until I suddenly got satiated. It was very odd but convenient - except when I underate but I really think itâs no problem for me, I mean, I canât undereat for too long, my body realizes what happens.
I have a weak satiation feeling, I always had but it is not reliable. So I ignore that unless if I know I ate much. I wait a little and I get hungry (I still can be hungry but only during my meals. I never could get really strong hunger in my well-fasted state so itâs nothing interesting). Then I get a full feeling⌠And I probably stop but if my meal is little, I rather grab whatever I can at this point, wait a little if needed. So itâs a bit fuzzy but no problem, I still have these guiding things. I really would hate to eat according to macros, itâs not my style and I track after a meal or multiple meals anyway. And no way I could guess my intake. I donât even use the tracking information to plan or have my dinner or second dinner. I only eat when I feel the need.
Sorry, being concise and me, you know. And itâs a whole week and experiment and interesting. But I come rarely now so I donât feel bad.
I didnât count my average things yet, I will. Calories, macros, meat (smoked and total), dairy, etc.
It was just a week and my weight had an illogical bump before so I take my perceived weight on the 6th as my starting weight. Itâs 72kg again as usual since a longish time (no idea how many months), after my super long 69kg times Hopefully I have a little bit more muscle now 
My winter pants got a bit looser but not as good as it was in the spring.
My biceps werenât bigger than this for sure. Itâs nice. I enjoy that my muscle glycogen stores donât care about my carb intake anymore. It has a very nice side effect that my very stable weight has no significant fluctuations even if my carb intake drastically changes. I really donât know what was the 2kg in the last few weeks but well, I am a human too. But it doesnât happen every year (at least when I use the scale. if your weight is basically the same for the most part of 8-9 years, stepping on the scale every day or week seems a pointless bother).
But I shouldnât think about it, who cares? My weight does whatever it does, itâs not even remotely interesting until itâs not below 69kg. THAT will be exciting.
My thoughts about this strict style (as no plants, itâs what carnivore means to me even if itâs not the strictest style at all)⌠Well I surely feel motivated to do and see what happens. I canât know what it may bring, I just guess I do completely unnecessary restrictions as tiny amounts shouldnât matter unless the substance is very very dangerous (even toxic is perfectly fine in small amounts if itâs not a big deal. like booze. oh yep Alv came home with some interesting looking ale - it wasnât so interesting but nice - on sale⌠so I tasted it, it didnât seem a big deal, I always can resist booze but saw no point. I tasted it properly, not just a drop. 19ml beer, even I never had such a portion :D). I felt no temptation during the week but I definitely noticed nice things that would make my meal a bit better and I know I would have eaten them if I was on my carnivore-ish woe. But I am curious so itâs all fine to do it stricter.
But I have the same feeling I have on my very first carni trial. All the fatty protein and nothing to ease it somehow⌠Except sour cream and sponge cakes, okay, those balance things out a bit. Mustard too.
I just canât eat greasy stuff all the time⌠But maybe I get used to them as I only needed mustard with every meal instead of veggies in the very first days⌠I still like it, it suits sausages and eggs so well but itâs different from using it as a replacement for veggies. That role quickly disappeared and I could eat a bit more fattier too.
I feel it again, I canât eat very fatty without my usual tricks which arenât available in carnivore.
Itâs no problem now and later I probably will get better at it.
My fat and protein is usually very similar in grams now. Fat is still higher a bit, usually but not always, it heavily depends on my meat choices. But as my energy intake isnât very high and I accepted high-protein canât be avoided in my life and it never caused any problems, itâs fine now. I donât want to waste precious protein though so I will learn to eat fattier eventually.
So I am fine and chill now. And I will make sure I will always have some nice food to eat right away when I need it Itâs new to me that I cook meat even during the week⌠Though I did this once or twice with liver⌠And eating too much meat would be very bad. I went vegetarian primarily because I couldnât handle the amount of meat. Alvaro did the same (they ate meat dishes every day and we once a week but it was chickenâŚ) I already feel no desire towards meat, it start to get too much and I barely ate meat yet. BUT it was mostly chicken and slightly overdoing smoked pork is just as boring⌠I donât know how I would respond to something nicer yet but thatâs what I will figure out in the near future I still know I have limits, I could never live on meat and even like it but I donât need that even on carnivore, thankfully.
We will see. Now I have pork soup, thatâs really tempting.
Maybe you donât need my numbers anyway. Only me. maybe I will compare them with the next numbers in one week⌠Or in the end.
So, in short, everything is okay, little changes, I am perfectly satiated during my fasting window, even more than without carnivore. I always liked that part And I effortlessly eat less than usual - even when I stuff myself as much as I can. I rarely bother as if I eat a bit too little for a while, I will suddenly eat more eventually (in a few days). And as it doesnât come with a strong, annoying starving feeling as it did when I first tried OMAD but it comes naturally, nicely, I just eat more, I am very fine with it.
I get satiated very easily now. My last âproperâ sized meal was on the 2nd. But I will change so much in the futureâŚ
FalliliFerzip
(Fallili)
#203
This is really good. I drift in and out of keto, and itâs nice to see this type of enthusiasm.
Ketodaisy
(Daisy)
#204
It actually didnât upset my stomach at all, but did supercharge my hunger! I ended up eating some beef sticks and cheese last night lol
JulesyMcJulesface
(JJ)
#205
Shinita, lots of what you wrote made me nod along as it made sense to my own experiences too. I like the sounds of your cycling adventure, food and exercise at once-efficiency plus!
I am feeling better now 3 hours after my random zc feast. Must have just needed more food. Will do as you suggest Fangs and have a backup stash of food on hand in future
Fangs
#206
oh yea good move.
when I started and say we did something farther from home, I packed a cooler for the car. My thinking was if I am away in any fashion for over a 2 hr or more trip kinda thing from home, my mind was BRING FOOD with me LOL You would not believe how many times I ate up food from that cooler! That little cooler saved me many times, and a good deli at any grocery store I might be passing When we start zc food is very very important. It is fueling ALL our changeover, our healing, our rebalancing of hormones, tackling so much ya knowâŚI felt I needed food at the drop of a hat and instantly a few times and that is what made me drag my cooler everywhere. It worked for me Luckily I am ânow set in zcâ and feel I am in a normal eating pattern with healing and such so I can ditch my cooler situation but boy when I needed it, oh yea I needed it.
Shinita
#207
Whipped tallow� Oh my, is that a thing?
So OMAD still works for you⌠I just get satiated way, way earlier nowadays. I may do much exercise and wait until late, I still canât eat big enough meals for OMAD. Oh well. Maybe it will change, one can never know. As long as I eat properly and itâs not too inconvenient, I donât mind if I do OMAD or TMAD or 3MAD.
VirginiaEdie
(Edith)
#208
I made this today, except I used duck fat instead of butter. It is really tasty! Even my husband approves.
Ketodaisy
(Daisy)
#210
Oh yes and itâs wonderful! Just take the tallow and whip it with a hand mixer!
Yeah I fell off omad for friday yard Saturday, but back on it today 
Shinita
#211
If I ever will be able, I will try out what happens when I eat breakfast⌠Highly unlikely, though. Except under very special circumstances involving waking up âat nightâ for me, I had breakfast maybe once in the last several yearsâŚ? I almost never regret eating, not even when itâs a mistake but I regretted it then. I am extremely incompatible with breakfast, always were.
But I tend to get hungry in a few hours after my first meal unless itâs quite big (itâs typically 3 hours, itâs one of my fixed things, apparently). And a big breakfast is impossible for me, I think.
I often ate 6-8 course lunches :). Now itâs less, I guess. And itâs hard to count anyway. I eat âeverythingâ and they sometimes form alliances, sometimes not, sometimes itâs not clearâŚ
A single course meal is extremely rare (unless itâs one of my super tiny meals, itâs quite possible then but not sure). I love simplicity and I do have it to some extent but 1-2 courses, it just canât seem to happen. There are exceptions, though, just super rarely. I wonder where I will evolveâŚ
Shinita
#212
I must try that when I relax my ways⌠Or if I will get super curious. Balsamic vinegar is way too sugary for me to fit my strictest type of carnivore. I donât even use it for anything now but I have some. But itâs sweet, it should be for everyone⌠It actually has much sugar (from my viewpoint). But I surely feel it sweeter than the average person.
Apropos liquids⌠I drank a coffee with lots of whipped cream today. I have no problem with occasional consumption and it was just a too good idea. Harmless too as I still donât have coffee, just a very little bit for making chocolate. So I will have another week without coffee and probably another before I will buy some. It canât change my current âno coffeeâ mindset.
I get bored of tea so I use more carbonated water too (one little glass a day). What if I put tarragon white wine vinegar into it? I donât need sweetness for my liquids. By the way, I had some very nice dessert drink today, egg milk with whipping cream, vanilla and cloveâŚ
I start my first meal with some liquid lately. I am disconnected from eating, I need some appetizer and I love my soups and similar things anyway.
Ketodaisy
(Daisy)
#213
Had a lovely meal at fogo. I was able to take a couple pictures. I ate WAY TOO MUCH and feel like death, but it was so delicious! As always the picanha was my favorite 
but I ate everything of course haha
Shinita
#215
And I read almost all back. My little inner turmoil or what (I would love to be better with words. like a better writer with English as their first language, that would be enough⌠I am okay with myself woe wise, itâs a new and great feeling, so not that inner turmoil) couldnât calm down despite the waiting so long reply, I couldnât keep myself from writing it.
I definitely didnât⌠And never will. I doubt I ever will know very much about carnivore in general, I canât even as we are all different and if we do carnivore, we do it all a bit differently, no wonder.
I donât think carni mimics fasting at all as a statement! itâs just a reaction-like thing to âketo mimics fastingâ (âhell no, if itâs something, itâs more like carniâ) and I only talked about my own actual experiences. It says nothing about carnivore in general, it might not saying anything about my experiences on carnivore general! I have NO IDEA how I will feel in 1 week, for heavenâs sake! I am not the one who often says definite things as almost everything is complex and different for everyone or for the same person at different times.
My sentences may be not clear sometimes, thatâs possible. But I donât tend to draw conclusions even for myself if I donât really know something. And other peopleâs cases are mystery to me. I like to read about those, thatâs why I know things are extremely individual.
I have NOTHING to do with carnivore except I like having carni days and will keep them and that now I try it for weeks in the strictest way I am willing to do (I thought itâs a bit too strict under my circumstances but itâs surprisingly easy and well, not super restrictive. itâs okay). I am fully aware of it. I am still a newbie. I have an opinion about certain things but if itâs something deeper or more individual, I wouldnât be arrogant enough to say âit is like thisâ. Of course not.
But I will comment on carnivore if I want, why not? If I have a tiny own experience or itâs about some very basics⌠I donât go into deep things I donât know about. Or just as wondering, I can imagine that.
I am very, very bad with restrictions and I donât even have a huge power over what I write (I just can rewrite abandon my comments, I do that very often). I can go away but I wonât not express myself as I canât do that.
But hopefully there wonât be such a bad wording and misunderstanding anymore. Or whatever it was. I wonât read even more back, itâs stressful enough. I still donât know if things are clear now but it was ages ago, I need to do things. I read back and disappear again, I think about food way too much even without the forum 
Especially this month, itâs too interesting even though little happens.
At least I hope I can stay away. Iâm addicted. But this is the month to do things I usually canât.
Fine, you wouldnât. And I wouldnât do bad deals for me. I am a hedonist. I eat whatever I want and I canât change it, itâs a very very deep core personality or something like that in me.
Itâs one thing that I donât want to eat carnivore. I never even wanted to come close but I donât resist if I realize there are new options for me. Doing a carni December has zero chance, itâs very clear to me, why to try? I donât even think it would do any good to me⌠We are totally different, somewhere on our own journey and maybe you can jump from a quite sugary month into âforever carnivoreâ, well, I surely canât and itâs a moot point as I donât want it at all. Even 2 months sounds awful to me. But itâs a November challenge topic and I am so damn good. No sweeteners (except in my mustard. it was the very first week I went without sweeteners since I actually eat them instead of sugar), no coffee (an exception today, on the 8th day. I drank maybe 6-10 coffee a day before. well, I tried a few days in the very end of October but the previous many yearsâŚ), no tomato or fiber or whatever people have here sometimes⌠I am very good and I have personal restrictions (like no ruminants, basically though I try to change that but even if I can, that will be a tiny taste. okay, itâs no big restriction but I canât eat much meat at all). I did a huge jump and if I crave carbs at some point, I fail. I am extremely impressed of myself so itâs so odd that I am scolded because I am not serious. I am damn serious.
And December is special. I am way too considerate so I donât write much about my fruits but giving them up for a whole month? When I have them in season??? I am not sure it will happen again. Seriously, I think even if carnivore is super cool and itâs better without my off days (I doubt it for my case but I obviously canât possibly know⌠thatâs why I do this trial and itâs 1 month as itâs this or nothing. as I did keto with 40g net carbs limit because I did that - or no keto at all. I just canât do it even more stricter, itâs a super impressive thing for me this way too), I will do it for a longer time only out of my fruit seasons. I wrote before that maybe I will change more than I can imagine. So be it. But until then I surely enjoy what I want to and can enjoy without problems.
I am very very bad with 100% except in some cases and I see no problem with tiny amounts. I drink toxins, it makes no sense I donât eat plant matter that is specifically made for eating, the plant wants that. But no problem, I would eat the slightly toxic ones too, my body handle it in tiny amounts. I really donâ;t know why I would want perfection when itâs impossible. I do very much for my health and well-being but I donât do painful sacrifices if I donât see any reason for it.
But itâs fine if you donât understand how my mind works. I am very pleased with my decisions about my woe now, finally I am on the right track but there is a long way to go and improve and find my really sweet spot. I really enjoy that I only have a single road to tread now, I thought about things and tried them so long, itâs good to do the only thing I can (itâs some simplification, of course, I always have microdecisions to make).
And I was only in the beginning when you wrote that. If I wasnât that determined (and smart and if I had any other optionâŚ), I surely would have tempted to quit. One month is very, very, very long if one makes such a serious challenge. I easily can fail way before the end! It makes no sense to look much further but I still can almost guarantee I quit on the 1st of December. And possibly come back on the 2nd (I plan the 3rd or whatever I feel like) and I am determined to come back on the 25th or maybe on the 26th. Well, I mean carnivore-ish, not carnivore but if a miracle happens, many things are possible. January is naturally my lowest-carb month.
But now I give it a significant chance that I will hate meat when December comes⌠So⌠Better not think about it too much. So many thing may change. But I still will eat carbs in December and enjoy the hell out of them, sorry. And I surely wonât be the only one. I wrote thist first because I had no idea itâs a problem (I still donât think it should). It IS just a November challenge. I always talked about my November. A whole month is huge for me. And as you know, I go off all the time anyway (not in November if I can do it but 8 days? I already broke my record! I didnât do carnivore-ISH for this long! I didnât do keto for this long since ages. Me as a carnivore, seriouslyâŚ) And⌠Itâs December. Of course people who can probably eat carbs. It didnât seem a taboo to me.
AND itâs extremely relevant. My efforts and results should be viewed in a different light if I do it for a mere month (even if itâs long to me). I have it way easier due to the length of this trial. But I have it hard due to my personality, tastes and circumstances.
I donât like meat enough to eat much of it every day and I am not sure it will ever change. I always liked meat occasionally. Or in tiny amounts (the smoked kind). Thatâs cool but I just switch to making 3 meat dishes a week instead of the usual 1-2 (a dish isnât a single meal but still not much meat. maybe a pound. itâs only my fresh meat, not all but the others are limited too)⌠I had problems partially because I forgot I might need to cook meat during the weekdays too when I already had a soup from Sunday. Itâs a huge change for me, itâs not my world. Until a bit more than a year ago I ate meat maybe once per month and it was already a significantly higher frequency than in the previous decades. I change slowly, itâs a wonder carnivore changed me this drastically and quickly.
Itâs only some slight vent? And explanation, IDK why. Itâs a compulsion. Ignore it if you want, I really want to go back to proper carni talk in November. Very proper, itâs enough I see wonderful harmless items from my carnivore-ish times⌠I donât want them yet but I rather donât expose myself to them too much, to be safe. I think I wrote about that already, itâs not the nice stuff, I can avoid nice stuffs for years but my food, totally void of plants seems unbalanced, too fatty somehow, too uniformâŚ? Hard to explain. Fortunately I feel very well in my fasting window (I saw your definition. to me, fasting is not eating for a longer time. and itâs easy to use such expressions as they are short and clear. âbetween my last and first meal on the next dayâ?) but when I eat, itâs a bit of a chore sometimes and if I know myself, it will get a bit harder. But I donât think I know myself on carnivore, it surprised me before.
Oh, I still didnât react to everythingâŚ
Yep, I know, I donât care if I will eat even 30g carbs on a carnivore day (I probably wonât but itâs possible), itâs just fun to see
I had 19g the next day I got 0 from cheese as I normally eat little and lactose-free cheese. But it came from dairy and some from eggs. Not my best planned day, to put it lightly (I didnât plan at all, my own food wasnât on my mind), my first week had very low amount of proper meat for reasons but itâs fine. There are weeks to do it better and it was informative. And I still ate enough to feel well and satiated all the time outside of my meals.
Fangs
#216
S you eat however you want. Either you do carnivore or donât. I am not your eating lifestyle probation officer and donât wanna be Do you, all cool on that. We all have to just do ourselves and work thru issues etc. as best we can.
Elizedge
(Elizabeth )
#217
Thatâs funny Iâve been eating very straight carnivore not a single bite of any plant materials for almost 3 years. I could not survive on eggs and dairy I eat 2 to 3 lb of mostly red meat every single day. Usually in two meals. Ground beef, roasts, steaks, no dairy no eggs occasionally fish. Dairy just doesnât have the nutrient profile that meat does. And I know a long-term veteran tried to live on eggs once he had to eat between 18 and 30 everyday and at the end of 30 days trial he hated eggsđ as a moderator in two groups, the experience gleaned from over a decade is stick with fatty meat and shoot for one and a half to two pounds a day at least for the first 6 months. Dairy if you can tolerate it, it can be problematic for many. It is addictive and it can increase cravings.
JulesyMcJulesface
(JJ)
#218
Bit of a positive experience today, tried on a skirt I had bought on a whim and it looked awesome on. My tummy was flat and I think I looked smoking hot
Keto gets me a flat tummy, but only ever of a morning/fasted state. Zc gives me flat tummy 24/7 wheeeeee!
Oh and TMI, but flatulence has not been an issue zc. I smell like roses! Normally I eat a tonne of cruciferous vegies and readily admit that I would be quite the stinker.
Fangs
#219
well darn J, great for you!! that is wonderful you feel so darn great inside your skin. Love that! and ya know, smokinâ hot is never a bad place to be in your skirt HA!!
yea, passing gas is a thing of the past for me too. what I was to who I am now, no one can blame me for adding to the gases that kill the ozone! A great perk of zc for sure!!
great post! enjoyed reading that!
Fangs
#220
food yesterday was
3 sausage patties
12 oz NY Strip steak
2 giant leftover country pork style ribs
tin of sardines
Ate all that in 5 meals thru the day.
meal 1 sausage
meal 2 big old steak
meal 3 was 1/2 a pork rib
meal 4 was an entire whole leftover pork rib
meal 5 was that other 1/2 of that pork rib with a tin of sardines
I had a eating fun day for me LOL
remember carnivores, you can eat any way you like thru the day, as much as you want, spaced out how you want at all times. OMAD, 2mad etc is not a requirement by any means, just eat zc and the magic happens.
feel great
didnât sleep great, tossed and turned a bit. kinda that âhome from vacayâ type thing I normally get when back from a trip. no biggie, just some errands and other things today, nothing dramatic so I can chill thru the day.
everything fine in my zc land.
Where is SB? Working so hard not much time to post? Hope SB posts sooner than later
I âgot the skinniesâ feeling, I am hoping for a drop on the scale very soon. hey its been long enough, I want a little down off that number just eat zc and wait!