Noburgerfest - ZC Carnivore Cruise November 2024

zero-carb-carnivore

(Megan) #1

November is on us already, where did the year go? There are a lot of November jokes online, many about over-eating foods during Halloween, Thanksgiving and the December holiday season. Family and festivity times can be a challenge for us to eat zc carnivore. How do folks get on at this time of the year?

I’m in the process of fully realizing and accepting how addicted to carbs I am, especially sweet foods. I can go months on plan and everything is easy - thoughts about and cravings for fast food and sweet food fade to the background, meat tastes good, my body feels like my friend and I feel like its friend.

My pre-op and initial post-op “diet” threw a spanner in the works, all the artificial sweetener in the meal replacements and protein bars have brought carb craving to the forefront and I haven’t always won the battle to stay carni every day. So, my November challenge is to do just that! I want to be fully settled back into eating this way before Christmas waves 2 of my most-loved foods in my face. “Once won’t hurt” is a lie for me :crazy_face:


(Doug) #2

Very well said, Megan. :slightly_smiling_face: Consistency is huge, even as some of us aren’t always great at it. [ insert embarrassed icon here ]

From the October thread:

Yeah… It’s seemed relatively quiet lately. Used to be there was always a flurry of activity in January - all the resolutions about changing one’s lifestyle, all the people suffering from the excesses of the Holiday season… Seems to me that the last couple years haven’t had as much of an increase in forum activity.

It often comes down to how individual people are feeling, or if there’s a rip-roaring argument going on. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:


(Geoffrey) #3

This will be my second holiday season since I became carnivore. I’ll handle it exactly like I did last year and that’s to just maintain my WOE of eating fat, meat, salt and water. It just never changes with me. From day one I set my mind to do this and after 90 days I was locked in like a guided missile. I have little to no cravings and only occasional remember how I used to like something but in my mind all of that is behind me. I desire only fatty meat and nothing else. If it doesn’t provide nutrition for my body then it has no business going in my mouth. I have absolutely no temptations whatsoever. I am a carnivore and always will be no matter what the situation. Well, except if I had to eat carb for survival but then that’s a whole other matter. :wink:


(Megan) #4

lol yea. We have a bad natural disaster collection of most everything we’d need if the area or country went to hell for a month or 2. I have cans of corned beef and fish stashed away but if we have to leave the house with nothing but a backpack on our backs I’ll have to eat the dehydrated carb items.

I love your description of being locked in like a guided missile.


(Megan) #5

Well, there is an election in the U.S. in a few days… :innocent:


(KM) #6

True, but … I’m hiding out here to Avoid watching this trainwreck!


#7

Great to see the thread. Thanks @MeganNZ Megan!


(Bean) #8

Thank you for posting November.

Still rolling with a crisis-a-week here.

I’m one of those weird people who take on New Year’s resolutions as a year long goal. I’ve been surprisingly successful, but I’ve got two that I need to double down on. Quitting coffee and a weight/ BMI goal.

I’ve been successful in quitting coffee for up to two weeks, but life hits hard and I fall back into it. I’ve separated quitting coffee from tapering caffeine. The caffeine interacts with some of my prescriptions, so it’s really a separate consideration. I’m a week into this round of coffee quitting, so fingers crossed.

The weight is another thing. I’m still sitting barely in the overweight range. I have a few health concerns that would benefit from some fasting, so I’m debating how to do that in something of a muscle sparing sort of way.


(Megan) #9

I’m often curious about quitting coffee. What benefits do you notice when you stop drinking it?

That’s tough, Bean. I sure hope life settles down for you soon!


(Bean) #10

For me, less inflammation. I want to heal up my gut, too, as best I am able.


(Megan) #11

I messed up on the U.S. election day while watching the coverage on tv for many hours so I’m trying to brush myself off and jump back on plan. I wish eating certain sweet foods wasn’t so enjoyable for me. I also wish I just had a mouthful or two, not a full-out binge. Sigh.


#12

To me, the binge-trigger things are clearly to be banned. After years. With exceptions. I am not good at this but the average person is zillion times worse… (In the earlier times, I just made sure the binge only happens occasionally. It worked even with fat-loss, it really was rare. And it took more than that to make me really unwell.) I am quite good with moderation in most cases but some are just hopeless so I try persuade myself about the ban to the extent that I follow it even in my worst, “I don’t CARE” moments.

My worst item like this is coffee. I don’t even enjoy it, it gives me nothing, I am fully aware it comes with zillion negatives but can I stop having it all the time…? Well, sometimes. I am good if determined but I am not in my best shape in the morning (even though I am not a zombie anymore. I like these changes. I need some very serious longer term sleep problem to become one) and if I started, I won’t just stop for the day.
If I am in my right mind, it’s way easier, I can even ask my smart, actually thinking parts… Oh well.

I… Do what I can for now. I have a severe lack of eggs and even meat (I have meat but not my usual, default, leaner one, when it become a necessity for me to do carnivore…?) and an extremely strong baking phase. It could be much worse, I always have a very strong aversion to carby baking but that means that I usually make something from mostly eggs and that’s not an option now :frowning:
But my pork chuck was amazing! :smiley: And we had meatballs yesterday, very nice ones, the soft, fatty pork skin always make it something special. It just wasn’t enough alone. Not even with the tiny cheese I allow, I am really fine with little and I am happy I can minimize dairy now (of course I still have milk/cream in my coffees. quitting coffee would do good). I don’t even want many eggs nowadays though it happens on some days, I am REALLY into baked goods and it’s no big deal to eat 10-12 muffins on a day, either sponge cake or quiche… I try not to as I need to bake nearly every day then but last time I just made 24, one sponge cake batch and one quark quiche, partially with sausages. As Alvaro only touches one carnivore baked goods of mine, cheesy fluff (that I am not into much but sometimes eat 1-2), all 24 was eaten by me, in a few days. But then I run out of quark. And mostly from eggs as well.

Tomorrow is shopping day and today I just have a nice carnivore dinner OMAD fat fast day, at least that is the plan.
Duck is on a great sale but the last few times I had any wasn’t so great. My childhood memories are more memorable, IDK if I should give it another shot… It’s really cheap, like chicken. My usual tiny soup hen is a tad cheaper but I really wait for a superb sale (it happens often. I barely buy any carnivore stuff without a sale as most things I eat go on sale regularly. mascarpone never does but I still buy it occasionally as it’s so great. but now ricotta is on sale and people make cheesecake from that too so I will try. I don’t think I ever made a carnivore cheesecake but it’s surely very much possible).

I don’t have plans for the weekend but I want to go back to carnivore on Monday for real now. Today is just a fat fast day, of course it’s carnivore. Carnivore has the best fatty items, after all. And plants love to bring carbs and/or protein and I have a very limited quota for those (and I fill that with sausage, egg and whipped cream. my whipped cream is real sweet now as it’s lactose free. I should have eaten it in desserts and alone, not in my stupid coffees).

So, I was silent (wrote some short comments but deleted them) as I can’t even do carnivore now. But I am closer than before and my diet isn’t too bad now I think. But I still don’t skip lunch (today I will as it’s pretty much inevitable on my fat fast. I stopped having such days specifically because I couldn’t wait until dinnertime for a long while. I loved my fat fast days and they are useful) and I even have some calories with my coffee way before lunchtime. I should change that.

I have a couple of new non-carni but pretty low-carb recipes now, it’s something to appreciate as I will need them in my off times or else I eat something worse.
Oh I don’t really want (much) meat now, that is another possible complication. I don’t know why… I didn’t even want my wonderful fried pork chuck 2 days ago - but when I started to eat, I enjoyed and easily finished it. That works, it’s like eating without any hunger or appetite: maybe not ideal but very easy for me. And I did enjoyed it. It was unusually fatty though (not compared to pork chuck though maybe that too? compared to what pork I usually eat lately), I totally will mix it with the cheaper and way more easily available leaner cut in the future! One is a bit too lean, the other is usually super tasty and unnecessarily fatty (I gladly eat it but it’s no sacrifice to lower the fattiness a little and it does good to my macros - or if they are good, my options, I gladly eat any possible amount of my super fatty favs, it’s not nice to hold back even if I only do it to the extent where it’s still comfortable. but we bought a lot of butter when we finally found some for a good price, someone should eat it :smiley: slowly, we didn’t buy too much but time passes. Alvaro has special conditions for eating butter for some reason and they are rarely met. I don’t need anything at all, I eat it all alone any time just fine but I often bake my sponge cake buns and they are perfect with butter. and optionally sausage. why I use butter when I eat super fatty sausage on pure egg sponge cakes? because it makes it perfect, apparently. butter is great, it doesn’t count when it’s about my usual ideal fattiness of some food. that helps with fat fast days, 90% fat is a bit over the ideal fattiness even for my tastes, even for one day but using the right items does the trick. butter is the best, I love lard but not alone in bigger amounts… cream is a bit carby, sausage in bigger amounts is too protein rich… I don’t care about the usual fat fast rules but my body can’t handle protein in a certain range. it must be very little or a lot, there is nothing in-between).

I will bring a photo later. With the proper camera so the depth of field will be pitiful :smiley: Alvaro still didn’t figure out how on earth to get the photos from his phone. Yeah, we can send them from the phone to his FB (chat with ourselves? nice feature), preferably after resizing them and I can download them to my computer but we just couldn’t bother. So maybe you won’t see our chicken liver and heart stew (almost carnivore so maybe okay) and whatever else I shot for a while or ever but the stew wasn’t very photogenic anyway. I made some cute flower photos though and I am curious how they turned out, the new phone has all those lenses and while it is apparent zooming is a pretty useless feature, it’s so ugly even seeing the photos on the phone, the macro lens and the pro settings are promising.


(Geoffrey) #13

When I quit coffee I went to tea, it was easier on my stomach and weaker in caffeine. After nearly a year with tea I gave that up as well.
I can’t say that I noticed any difference in my physical body, mind or metabolism. The only real benefit for me that I’ve noticed is the freedom I have from no longer being addicted to anything. It was the last addictive chain I was bound to.
I’m amazed that I can start the day and feel great and I’m awake with no stimulants. It’s a really good feeling.
I don’t miss caffeine beverages in the least.


(Robin) #14

Reading this, I realize how non-keto/carnivore folks feel when we describe all the food we gave up. Oh, no no no no no….


(Bean) #15

I’m still coffee free at day 10.

I’m also, finally, just barely within a normal BMI. My goal is a 10% reduction from my starting weight, which will put me in the 50% range.

I’ve made some shifts to finally get there after a many months stall and then a gain. Not all of my changes are conventional carnivore. Just my tweaks.

  1. I’ve been able to get off of antihistamines. And coffee. I needed get rid of allergy med to get rid of the coffee. Still consuming caffeine and tea, but tapering tea.
  2. I’m eating one meal a day most days with an occasional 48 hour fast or two meal day.
  3. I bumped my fat % way back up into therapeutic levels (TKD). All carnivore fat.
  4. Because I did that, I have to track macros and calories. I am eating a deficit, and am usually satisfied at that level.
  5. I also needed to add one non-carnivore item to make that work, otherwise I’m drinking fat. Konjac noodles/ rice. One package a day. If I can consistently figure out fat consumption without it, I’ll drop it. I figure it’s just straight water and fiber, and one of the only plant foods I consistently don’t react to.

I am almost out of my on-hand frozen animal fat. I have lots of beef and lamb suet in the freezer, so I need to process it. I’ve had mixed luck with butter and ghee causing stuffiness, although an occasional serving of Monterey Jack cheese doesn’t bother me?


#16

No photo in the end as it was boring without the star, my scratching… Did you know light natural scratchings exist? (Or whatever is the right term for my fried, originally very fatty meat without skin.) But why, I did it just like any other time… It got super low-fat. I feel when something has a decent amount of fat and when it’s very much void of it and it was the latter. I had to eat some butter afterwards as it was so dry… NICE, lovely crunchiness, I enjoyed it but still, not fatty. Odd.
So, I ate it all before the photo. It wasn’t much, it already was little and most of it became lard so I have some lard now (and a lot of schmalz… I got it out of the freezer). So yep, not really much fat could remain.
But I ate it before lunch. So I had a fat fast style lunch. So I obviously needed a dinner too, protein rich… I didn’t even track and couldn’t stick to carnivore as I had no meat to eat let alone lean. It was still good but Alvaro brought home something I couldn’t resist (my number one problem and I can’t even regret it ever, it was amazing). I am not good at this now. I start again… I feel quite good at least but I really should skip lunch at least, that helps A LOT with being close to carnivore too, among other benefits.

I still drink way too much coffee as well. Today not so much as we were away, did shopping (oh my normal pork and 100 eggs, FINALLY, carnivore will have a chance this way… there is bird flu in Slovakia or something and they come here to buy eggs so the prices went up and they will rise even more… good thing I stopped eating 7 eggs per day, it’s still a few but eggs are really great and important) and some walking. Many trees still have a lovely foliage and the weather was perfect! I got tired out and it was just a little hike, IDK why I am like this :frowning:
So I have some basic meat (the green ham. leaner than average but I still have pork chuck) and so much dairy and eggs and sausages! It’s good to have supplies, at least my poor carnivore plans have some chance. I can’t do it without eggs and my basic meat.


(Megan) #17

Great stuff Bean! Also grats on figuring out tweaks that are working for you.


(Judy Thompson) #18

Well, I’m back from the cruise. I learned something about PUFAs, avoiding them you don’t get sunburned and if you do (I didn’t) you heal quickly. My daughter brought sunscreen but I forgot to use it during the day in Mexico. Walked 10,000 steps in direct sun and no redness even on my shoulders which haven’t seen sun in eons. No seeds or seed oils in nearly 3 years. A great side benefit!

I added those low toxic plant foods as per Paul Saladino mainly in order to survive this cruise. It was much easier to find something to eat when an orange was an option, but even then. They really love mixing everything up in those cruise restaurants. Two of the nights I was able to get a strip streak and one of those I also had oysters. I stayed OMAD + a small midday snack and morning coffee. I really missed my clean simple food and was so glad to be home!

We sailed through the night with Hurricane Rafael, slowly, between Cuba and the Florida Keys. Lots of bada bing bada boom that night, bed shaking and all but by morning my little cabin deck was wet and that was all. They skipped the Bahamas stop but I didn’t miss it.

I’m going to minimize the fruit and stuff now. Blood glucose was up at my annual checkup.

Thank you Meghan for starting this November thread :heart:
Where indeed, did everybody go?


(Brian) #19

I kinda panicked a little when I read the thread title. My mind wanted to say, “No burgers.” YIKES!!! I LOVE burgers. I could eat a hamburger just about every day.

I haven’t made it to full carnivore, just heavily meat based.

Never been on a cruise.


(Megan) #20

lol I was trying to come up with something that sounded like november and my sleep starved brain came up with noburger. I looked at the title the next morning and went “whaaaat?!”