Noburgerfest - ZC Carnivore Cruise November 2024
Shinita
#22
@JJFiddle: Good to see you here again! 
I donāt have experience bout sunburn and diet as I avoid the sun in summer. Well I canāt do it all the timeā¦ I definitely never got sunburn in the last years but it wasnāt common before either. I got some redness this year, once but it was mild, not painful. I keep forgetting sunscreen as itās not something I use oftenā¦ I merely bought a mini bottle some years ago and occasionally use it.
That is my plan too Itās not easy in my case, my passionate love towards them is one thing but Alvaro keeps bringing some very tempting ones now that we are between our 2 last fruit seasons so we have none of our own (just a few hundreds of jars). I doubt he could handle a single fruitless day easily. Sometimes I wonder about his somewhat fixed diet. I could skip most things for 1-2 days (okay, I could fast for days if I really had to. but I could eat skipping anything too and thatās even harder) but he has several staple items he needs each and every day, apparently. I cling to my carni food groups but I still could skip any for a short time (I had an eggless day lately but I couldnāt do it carnivore, too restrictive).
Super cold, not sunny days. The house is cold, apparently 7 hours heating per day isnāt enough anymore (and I use heating in my own room occasionally too, not just the A/C downstairs). Well yeah, 2 Celsius all day is bona fide winter weather (minus the sunshine we often get in winter 
I donāt miss it yet for some reason), it requires the normal 12 hour heatingā¦
I still drink coffee and still have lunch, sometimes a few bites before. And not even carnivore yet. Meat just doesnāt tempt me nowadays but I wonāt care and eat up my pound of fried green ham for todayās lunch (I doubt I could wait until dinner). Itās nice, I probably can eat it without any problems, I just donāt feel desire towards it. But today I will mix the leftover lean pork with pork chuck, that will be better. In the last 2 days I ate most of meat in my rich scrambled eggs, I enjoyed them more than usual. I have a very soft smoked sausage right now, even this kind is usually a bit harder - but if the label isnāt lying, itās still protein rich, fatty too, very easy to eat and way cheaper than the hard ones. It doesnāt last long. I keep all kinds of sausage at home (at least now. 7 different kinds, some cooked, some raw and smoked, some raw and requiring cooking), they have different roles 
But I eat them in moderation. Usually. This soft tasty stuff is new and exciting and very enjoyable and as I eat less normal meat, I eat more of thisā¦ 
But I really should go back to a more normal diet with my usual amount (around a pound) of normal meat. And quit coffee somehow. At least I manage to avoid cream and I only put some sour cream on my scrambled eggs. Cheese is all over the place, sometimes I eat much more than other times but itās never overly much I think.
OldDoug
(Doug)
#23
Burgers - lately Iāve been making hamburgers a lot. I used to add in an egg or two, bread crumbs, other stuff, spicesā¦ But these days itās just dumping a big lump of hamburger in a pan, pounding it or smushing it down to a good thickness.
Itās like a āpieā in the pan. It cooks, and then I cut it in 4 or 5 pieces with a spatula and flip the pieces over.
Pretty soon itās done. Easy, nothing added, put some salt or other desired stuff on, eat it up.
Shinita
#24
Itās like my meatball recipeā¦ Well not meatball, we have another word for it and that works for vegetarian versionsā¦ Whatever. It had the main ingredient, I used some keto stuff instead of breadcrumbs (I never had breadcrumbs as we ate all our bread and I wonāt buy such stuff), there were spices, egg, not much else but still, it was a tiny bit complicated compared to my current, perfected version.
I only use meat, soft fatty pork skin (typically from the smoked pork hocks we cook in some dishes), salt and some spice (there must be paprika, itās non-negotiable for a Hungarian meatball). The yolk lingered for a while but it combines so nicely without it and the taste is just perfect so I skip that now. I always can eat eggs with it if I desire some.
Itās a great recipe to use up the skin - and some too lean pork. Though Alvaro is fine with meat on most days so he eats up the super lean slices now. He will eat some tomorrow as well, for lunch, for the 3rd time in a row! Cooking for him isnāt nearly as difficult as in the past and itās even easier for myself.
Did I say that my green ham slab is kinda marbled, at least at some partā¦? I never saw this kind but I am glad, poor thing can use all the help it can get, it has less visible fat than usual. My taste points at to the fattiest green ham possible and itās my absolute minimum, my taste ideal is pork chuck as always. But considering how good I was at avoiding fatty things today, it seems I can afford that fattinessā¦ Yum.
I was too good, actually. Lean pork, lean organ, even my non-carni item was mostly proteinā¦ There was some cheese but not much. Tiny bit of tuna spread, it was so good! Today was low-cal high-protein, itās so weird. I quickly opened a box of cream to balance it out a tiny bit I wasnāt really hungry but I wasnāt really satiated eitherā¦ I would say I will happily eat fat with my lean pork tomorrow but whenever I do that, I manage to overeat fat so I will be a bit more careful than that.
And people write SUPER WEIRD articles. They just pop up when I try to google in my tablet and sometimes I read them. They even used (correct as much as I could tell) numbers and still didnāt manage to see that no, fruits arenāt a great source of protein, not even if we are femaleā¦ Stupid article. Even vegans can find much better protein sources!
Shinita
#25
Baby steps. I manage to skip lunch now and then but I do have a few tiny bites before my single proper sized meal. Itās not necessarily bad but things add upā¦ Yesterday I had some great macros for sure and then I went and snacked without any need or hunger in the evening and I was VERY satiated, I just love eating and possibly my life is too empty. Or maybe it was the lack of calories as I managed to eat too lean this one time. I think both.
But itās a new day, I skipped lunch (snacked on some tiny amount of cheese and cream, I STILL drink coffee, of course I do. I do drink very much tea as well but it doesnāt manage to kick off coffee) and I will have a superb dinner planned, peasantās breakfast (not fully carnivore but very close. like my stews) and some lovely fried pork chuck (already made as I didnāt know if I would(?) be hungry at lunchtime, I took a bite and itās obviously amazing as I ate from this slab before and it is a really good one). My modest peasantās breakfast (well the biggest I am willing to make, 3 eggs but itās still not very big, is it? I kept the extra stuff low as I donāt like it too rich or even too meaty, it is rich scrambled eggs so egg must be the main ingredient) is about 800 kcal, I never calculated it before. So thatās why my richer ones were so very satiatingā¦ It is a substantial dish even for me (but I rarely eat that little for lunch so itās good I will have it for dinner as my first course).
Still no sunshine and I still handle it surprisingly well. 2-3 Celsius all day long and I donāt like to go out. But I should, tomorrow I will have a long walk to pick up our webshop order.
Itās quite dark in the house even at 3pm (until I give up and use artificial lighting), thatās not nice.
We need to heat all night long. And itās not even winter yet but this November has winter temps, not proper frost yet though.
kib1
(KM)
#26
OMG. Went to a diner for lunch today. Ordered the chili special, hoping for no beans
. Got a giant bowl full of ā¦ Spaghetti. With a half cup of basically beans on top, eight packets of saltines, and a PBJ sandwich I didnāt order on the side. Nothing like a $12 cup of coffee for lunch.
MeganNZ
(Megan)
#28
One unexpected thing thatās come from buying an āoff-roadā rollator walker is Iām really enjoying walking Lulu and Sophi on the footpath. Iāve always driven to places they can run about off-lead but a couple of recent experiences has made me a bit scared to because my 2 treasures exhibited some aggressive behaviour and, despite knowing a fair bit about dog behaviour, I canāt figure out what the heck set them off. Anyway, I decided to take them for a walk around the block and it was great. The large wheels and inflated tyres handle all the height differences and bumps on the footpath very smoothly, whereas the small solid wheels of my old walker struggled and Iād end up in even more pain. Losing weight has reduced my knee and foot pain about 30% and itās become my preferred way of taking them out now. It also means I get a bit of exercise!
JJFiddle
(Judy Thompson)
#29
Ha! Thatās the way I eat in restaurants too. Nothing really works, there may be one thing on the menu. German sausage with a side of cubed cheese or a burger patty with nothing on it, or more cheese. Wings if theyāre not breaded. (itās OK, I have food at home lol)
E_P
(E P)
#30
Iām still plugging along with carnivore too. Well, with spices and coffee and tea. Trying some fasting, sardines, exogenous ketones, and MCT in a rather desperate attempt to get my RA under control before immunosuppressants are needed.
I need to try letting go of the spices and coffee and tea! They were fine before, but maybe theyāre not fine anymore. Is there a such thing as getting increasingly intolerant on carnivore? Itās still way better than any alternative, butā¦curious.
VirginiaEdie
(Edith)
#31
I did a carnivore trial for about seven months. I became increasingly intolerant to foods and my histamine intolerance became very bad. I did a lot of oxalate dumping during my trial and itās possible the problems would have eventually fixed themselves, but I didnāt take the chance. I was miserable by the end of the trial. Once I added in some vitamin C containing foods, my histamine intolerance improved greatly.
beannoise
(Bean)
#33
Iām there with you on the RA.
Iām very intolerant to coconut and nightshades (spices?).
I would drop those and see how coffee and tea fare.
ETA- canned foods are pretty high in histamines.
I cook mostly from my freezer. It keeps my histamine intolerance and other allergies in check.
FrankoBear
#34
Learning a bit more about calcium, heart arrhythmias and oxalates from Prof Ben Bikman.
Maybe dairy-free carnivore is not good for people with heart beat and heart rate problems?
Omelettes at lunch and ruminant red meat just before sunset. Last week of hard work. Then into wind down.
On reconciling the balance sheet, my health has been badly disrupted this year as I couldnāt handle the management style of the new middle manager (who used to be a work colleague). they micro-managed and it was really stressful. I probably would have lost my job if I didnāt find stability and some resilience in the Low Carb ZC WoE. I changed line managers to one that leaves me alone, and I could get work done. Listening to a mental health podcast about stalkers and stalking behaviour, and I can see a very clear similarity between micromanagement and stalking in a work environment.
I went out to photograph red-tailed forest black cockatoos yesterday but this red-capped parrot spooked them and they flew away. You canāt always get what you want.
FrankoBear
#35
Iāve found the same. I put sunscreen on my face in mid-Australian summer. But otherwise I donāt use sunscreen, and Iām a surfer. Cool shower takes the heat out. Or rub any glowing patches in cold butter.
kib1
(KM)
#36
Oh, but he is what you need! 
. How glorious is that.
I could never decide if my micromanager was extremely anxious or extremely self important, but for sure thereās not much worse than micromanagement when it comes to poor supervisory style. Glad you could get out from that! 
robintemplin
(Robin)
#39
Some of my worst and longest AFib events have been due to stress. Sometimes itās unavoidable. Iām trying to notice my stress before it getās a good grip on me. Breathe, baby breathe.
Shinita
#40
Ouch. I had such a manager once. It wanted reports from me every day and we had a super harsh deadline and had to WORK, not to entertain him so I told him where to shove it and just workedā¦ He was a very temporal one while I was known to do my job even if the deadline is crazy. Fortunately I had much better ones or no one in most times.
My condolences, it must be quite horrid and you KNOW you donāt need it, in the contraryā¦ Managers should make work more effective, not the opposite!
Oh, nice photo, I never could get close enough to birds. They are shy here. Less so around the pond but one has to be a fisherman sitting there all day to have them really closeā¦ And we rarely bring the 300mm lens, itās heavy and big. But sometimes we do and thatās nice.
I donāt write about my diet lately (well I do just delete it) because it gets long, complex and I donāt even do carnivore. I try but well, it just canāt happen now, apparently. I donāt go too crazy though, my plant carbs come almost exclusively from fruits. I am very week towards them now, apparently and we have some super enjoyable ones. At least I have a very clear stop sign now, way before I could feel worse. Not good enough but something. I never had this in the past.
I still drink coffee (I am trying thoughā¦) and do 2MAD and eat too much fat and proteinā¦ Lunch skipping sounds good in theory but I already have freshly made food at that point, itās almost sunset and I really find eating a nice idea even if I am not really hungry yetā¦ I wonder if I could do the very tricky and highly unlikely dinner OMAD on my current, more satiating dietā¦
But I should eat simpler too. I realized it ages ago that if I eat everything possible on 2MAD, it inevitably means too much food. Even if I try to be careful. My energy need is super tiny compared to my eating abilities, appetite and variation, it suits a modest single meal more than some hedonistic 2MAD.
I donāt even go out much as the weather isnāt so nice. It should be an excuse but it is. But after my bad backache passed, I finally went back to lifting. Should do something about my weak core too.
Today I ate leftovers so it wasnāt simple, again. But tomorrow I roast some decent amount of pork and we will see. I had little desire to eat meat lately, I donāt know WHY, thankfully I have so many other good options and just because I have no appetite for meat, I still can eat some if itās very good. And this super fatty, marbled pork loin I have now? Itās amazing. And it shows very well why I canāt track my meat. The fat content is a mystery. I track it like pork chuck as itās at least as fatty (it has some lean parts but I give those to Alvaro who prefers them). How I feel and how it looks, that is my help as the cut isnāt and the label only has the name of the cut (and even that may be not accurate in some cases).
Whatever, I still can make an educated guess and it doesnāt matter anyone, itās not like I ever lose any fat. But the meat is super tasty. I just didnāt want it so a big part of it is in the freezer (raw). I should eat this wonderful meat when I do want meat. Well, normal red meat as I still could eat chicken, some organs and processed stuff along with my small amount of normal pork, fortunately.
Alvaro, on the other hand, wants beef now (or mutton but itās pretty much impossible to get. I am sure he is fine with deer too), he misses one of his fav dishes using ruminant meat.
I will send this one but I probably wonāt come for a long time again! Unless a miracle happens and I do some very superb carni times but why would Iā¦ (I start to lose hope and confidence in myself in general but thatās not me so I will handle it somehow.)