New to Keto Diet


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #81

The references you are looking for are contained in The Obesity Code, by Jason Fung, M.D. He clearly explains how fasting and calorie restriction affect the body differently.

No one denies that calorie restriction can lead to weight loss. But we all watched “The Biggest Loser,” and we all saw how they continually had to cut their calories to compensate for the lowered metabolic rate that was the body’s method of compensating for the original caloric deficit. A follow-up study of former contestants claims that most of them never recovered metabolically, even after they started eating again.

What we claim on these forums, by contrast, is that intentional caloric restriction is a bad idea, because of the body’s compensating by lowering the basal metabolic rate. If you lower your TEI, and your body lowers its TEE in response, you are chasing an ever-receding goal and getting hungrier and hungrier. We say that if you eat to satiety, the body will automatically restrict your caloric intake to a level at which it can comfortably burn both the fat you eat and any excess stored fat you might happen to have. In this case TEI + stored energy = TEE. Of course, if you don’t have any excess fat, then your body will signal you to eat until your TEI matches your TEE, in which case TEI + 0 = TEE.

The point is not that calories are not being restricted, but that we are not restricting them intentionally. The body restricts our caloric intake through feedback mechanisms that the human race evolved approximately two million years ago. If you think you know better than your body does, however, go ahead and suit yourself.

At this point, I have come to the conclusion that you are willfully misunderstanding the points I am trying to make, so I am out of this conversation.


(Terence Dean) #82

Can I add my two cents to this discussion? In my opinion TJ and Shane are both correct because for each of them their way of doing Keto produces the results they are happy with. I did lazy keto for the first 10 weeks or so, yeah it was real easy, keep carbs below 20g, protein moderate, eat fat to satiety. Fine this is a great way to get newbies started on Keto and is the less complicated way to do it. I agree it removes a lot of the worry that we hear from people new to this WOE. But after 10 weeks and a person is experiencing stalls, its time to work out why that is happening unless Keto is being used to give health benefits and losing weight is not a priority. Of course its natural to want to know whether you’re eating too much protein, or perhaps missing hidden carbs or hell forbid you could be eating too much fat!! The only way to do that effectively is to monitor it with something, an app is probably the easiest and cheapest way to do that, and there is nothing wrong with that at all. Remember guys, n=1. There is more than one way to do Keto and at least we should all agree on that point. I love Dr Stephen Phinney’s mantra :slight_smile:

“When you have success, don’t argue with it.” Dr. Stephen Phinney.

So Shane and TJ are arguing two different points of view and I agree with both of you on various points.


(Ellie) #83

I don’t disagree with you, but the OP was on day 3 not 10 weeks in, and it is easy to see why the nature of this discussion became somewhat off putting.
I think that the debate is healthy, but maybe for those of us that have been around here a bit longer, we need to be more disciplined and take the debate over to keto chat or show me the science rather than allow a newbie thread to be hijacked. Then we can argue the merits of each side to our heart’s content whilst giving the newbie a clearer answer to their question.