New to Keto -- cheating meal

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(Doug) #21

You’ll just have to see - this kind of thing will vary among different people. For what it’s worth, I highly doubt that “wreck” will apply. Might slow you, a bit, or might not even be detectable - especially depending on how often you weigh yourself.

#22

Or you can do what I do when I’m attending a pizza party (which my non-immediate family seems to use as an excuse for every birthday, anniversary, graduation, etc.) Just eat the topping and leave the crust behind!

(Chris ) #23

Thanks!

(Chris ) #24

I think for the meal, and frankly for the entire day since I’ll eat carb free the whole day, it would be between 100-125 carbs.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #25

How many slices of pizza do you generally eat? And how many grams of carbohydrate per slice? The box of mix ought to tell you. On these forums we advise under 20g/day, simply because it guarantees that even the most insulin-resistant people can get into ketosis, but if you are not terribly insulin-resistant, you might be able to eat up to around 100g of carbohydrate and stay in ketosis.

Another thought: It sounds from one of your posts that you absolutely must please your children by eating pizza. Will they disown you if you don’t eat the crust? So why not just eat the topping? That’s what I do when my family orders in pizza. I picked that up from a friend of mine who had to eat gluten-free, and it’s actually quite satisfying.

#26

I just said that 4 minutes before you… get with the program, Paul! :rofl::heart_eyes:
Sue

(Laurie) #27

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(Vicki Stroud) #28

Friday night is our junk food night, I am making my husband our NE Greek Style Pizza it is awesome and tastes just like the old time Greek Pizza places before most of them went to prefab dough balls, I am making myself a Fat Head Pizza KETO, not worth it to me. I am eating pizza with my husband and am staying true to what I need to do for ME, too many years I did for everyone else in my life before myself.

(Doodler for @KetoKailey) #29

Wishing you the best @cPaulitz! Catholic on keto here, too! I never ever felt deprived.

I also have a family, and although I do not require them to follow suit, my boys respect and support this WOE.

(Vicki Stroud) #30

I do have to say my husband is extremely supportive, he tells me to do what I need to do, he would rather have me healthy and around for a long time, than unhealthy and dead early which is where I was going. He has not once tried to tempt me he tells me do what I need to do.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #31

I’m blaming it on a senior moment–thank heaven I’m old enough now to use that as my excuse! :bacon:

(Marie Dantoni) #32

I’m 1st generation. Both my parents came from italy and believe me, they could cook. This is something you can do (among many others) with cauliflower.

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(JOE FABEETS) #33

If you’re big into paleo I know Mark Sisson just wrote a knew book on the keto reset. He is a paleo guy but this is just doing strict keto for I think 3 or four weeks to help you get better fat adapted. If your not familiar with him he has a website called the daily Apple I think. This might be a more relatable intro to keto for you.

(Alan Carr) #34

“cheese and tapioca flour.” That is guaranteed to 1. spike insulin and 2. provide dietary fat, so 3. you WILL store both the flour and fat as body fat.

100- 125 carbs - and that is about 3 or 4 times a typical daily allowance, and that’s presuming you’re somehow going to not eat any other veggies or carbs at all that day, which you will, so call it 5 day’s worth, all in one meal.

I found my fat loss slowed down and flat-lined awhile ago, so tried carbing up deliberately, with about the same as what you’re talking about, minus the cheese. It knocked me clean out of ketosis for almost 4 days and took 10 days to get my weight loss back on track. A refeed may work well for general low carb but not so much for keto… YRMV.

Basically what I’m saying is it’s great how others here are supporting you and offering alternatives. I’m just going to be blunt and answer your question. NO, you can’t eat that and still expect to lose body fat, in fact you’ll probably regain some weight and then take a long time to get back into losing fat/ketosis.

You might get lucky if you happen to be really super low on glycogen this week but you certainly won’t be NEXT week, so if you do this weekly and it’s a deal-breaker? Then the deal is broken and keto isn’t for you. Sorry.

Good luck in whatever you decide,

#35

Have you tried Real Good pizzas? They are no comparison to a homemade LC pizza, but they are good and ready to pop in the oven.

#36

I have a large family. To be honest I was doing IF for two months before anyone even noticed and it was my teenage daughter who dragged me for Thai food thinking she was staging an intervention. My husband was on keto for 4 months and being forced to listen to podcasts about fasting before he had any idea I fasted for 5 days at a time! You could sit there and fast and no one will even notice.

My kids will willingly eat the Fat Head Pizza, they are coming straight from our local pizza place not from cauliflower or tapioca pizza. You can make the dough and the crust ahead of time and freeze it. There is some thought that you do not always have cravings the next day but rather a few days later on a cheat, I forget why exactly.

As others have said, whether it knocks you out will depend on your personal carb tolerance. Part of what kept me honest at the beginning on keto was that if I cheated all the work I put in getting into ketosis would be lost. Now 7 months later high carb food is not as exciting as it was

(Jesse Leeds) #37

There are a lot of mixed message replies to this post. I have to agree with many. One person mentioned that in the beginning stages of Keto you want to make sure that you get fat adapted and I agree. so this is such a loaded question generally speaking but for a newbie, I strongly recommend that you sacrifice your desires to eat and your kids desire for you to join them in eating the high carb pizza. And like many have suggested, doing a low-carb pizza either through mail order or by making a fathead pizza dough yourself, that is the way to go for the first month at a minimum or two or three so that you can become fully fat adapted, then down the road cheating will become significantly less detrimental for fat loss and the other benefits of ketosis. So to answer your question, I would say it’s going to significantly hurt your fat loss progress since you are new to Keto. One strategy that no one seemed to mention was after eating the high carb meal, if you do an equal amount of physical activity, there’s a strong possibility that you will burn all of those carbs as fuel and put yourself right back into ketosis by expending all of the carbs that you just ate. But again, after month 2 or 3. Are their benefits to a cheat meal or cheat day once a week or once every two weeks or once a month, that is going to be an individualistic question and you must test your blood sugar and keytones to get an answer for yourself, as well as checking your body composition with an accurate test throughout your journey. I love fathead pizzas by the way. And prefer to not throw away crust when possible however, I go to far too many pizza parties and enjoy the cheese and sauce when I’m there. I also agree with fasting the day after because an entire life without sugar or grains is too restrictive for me personally, so bio-hacking it is the way I go. But I didn’t in the beginning and very happy for it.

#38

Betcha I’m older than you, but we both had a good point… pizza is still great … just eat the topping where the good stuff is. :slight_smile:
Sue

(Vicki Stroud) #39

I had my fathead pizza last night and while my husband was eating his normal pizza I gave him a bite of mine for him to try, he said this is really good, after he put his plate in the sink he went over and took a full piece of my fathead pizza and ate it.

#40

I define a “keto diet” as eating in a way that maintains a state of ketosis. It’s not based on a set number carbs because tolerance varies across individuals. For example, if my dad eats a meal that results in a BG of 88 and ketones of 1.5 and when I eat the same meal, my BG shoots up to triple digits and throws me out of ketosis. Is it a keto meal or not?

In my book, there is no such thing as a cheat meal. There’s no such thing as a ketotic meal. Meals have macros. Some foods are healthier than others. I try to make sure most of my intake comes from healthy foods, but I eat what I want. If it’s carbage, I eat it infrequently.

My goal isn’t to eat HFLC. My goal is to stay in ketosis. Eating HFLC helps to do that. So does fasting. So does exercise. So does quality sleep. So do certain supplements.

Yesterday, I ate a cup of rice (200 calories, 50g carb). My ketones were 1.5 (down from 3.1) and BG was 98 (up from 79). Clearly not a HFLC meal, but I am still in ketosis, and all is right with the world.