Net carbs messing with ketosis?


(Cancer Fighting Ketovore :)) #22

I use the flax seed oil for several purposes. One is to add extra fat and the other is because I have breast cancer (that’s a whole topic on its own). I haven’t really noticed if it satiets my hunger, but it might.

I drink lots of KetoAide and water, but I’m usually not very hungry until dinner time. You could try flax seed oil or MCT oil or some kind of fat bomb (I like the peppermint patties - lots of fat, practically zero carbs or protein). I’m not a big fan of breakfast, so its been easy to skip that.


(Jim) #23

F cancer! Sorry to hear that.

What are these peppermint patties you speak of. I assume they are not York Peppermint Patties.


(Cancer Fighting Ketovore :)) #24

I got the recipe from this book


(LISA) #25

I can tell you that for me when I first started, I had to stay below 20 grams of actual carbs, so no deducting for fiber, until I was in ketosis which took me about 2-3 weeks I’m guessing. So, for those first few weeks, I followed an extremely limited simple diet and ate pretty much the same things every day. After I was in ketosis, I was able to add in fiberful foods that I was able to subtract for net carbs and I kept that below 20 grams for the most part. That worked the best for me. Like most people do at some point, I’ve fallen off the wagon and gotten back on and have found that I have to follow strict low carb in the beginning or cannot get into ketosis. Your body could possibly be the same. Also, not everyone gets keto flu. If you keep up with your water and salt intake, I have found it makes a difference.


(Aubrey Simmons) #26

A few things:
If you’re gross carb count is as high as 50g there’s probably something you can change or substitute.

15 g of carbs per serving of Avocado I think is absurd and might need to be checked.

Also everyone is different, Keto flu is only a notorious side effect of the induction stage and effects everyone differently meaning that you might just miss it entirely. When I started I got a mild headache and what seemed like some allergy symptoms and that was about it. I’m not gonna tell you what you should be eating but there are some ways you can improve on all the progress already made by looking at your screenshot


(Aubrey Simmons) #27

Total before subtracting the net


(Jim) #28

@Aubrey_Simmons I’m happy for any advice on how I can improve my intake.


(Jim) #29

Here is a breakdown of what’s in your average avocado. If you’re looking at gross carbs, not net, that’s a lot of carbs if you’re trying to stay under 20g.


(Cancer Fighting Ketovore :)) #30

I searched for “avacado nutrition”


(Jim) #31

Hard to know what to trust. Even if it’s somewhere in the middle… Heck even if it’s just 9g, that’s a lot for one avocado if I’m trying to stay under 20g total. I’d been living off avocados for the previous week.

Edit, I see your numbers are per 100g, not per avocado.


(Cancer Fighting Ketovore :)) #32

Yeah, it’s still a lot, if looking at total carbs.
If you are up for it, try a meal like what I posted. I buy cheap ribeye at Walmart. Go heavy on the meat and fill in the rest. Use a buttery-cream sauce to up the fat

You could use something other than the broccoli, or just skip it). Macros for the above meal (includes the flaxseed oil and a fatbomb)



(6g of net carbs not shown from the broccoli)


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #33

You are already in ketosis. It generally takes about a day after you cut your carb intake. What you are not is fat-adapted, and all those things you expect to feel are signs of fat-adaptation. Give it another five to seven weeks before even beginning to worry that you’re “doing it wrong.”

Net or total carbohydrate is up to you. An informal survey showed that about 60% of us here count net; the other 40% of us count total. Either is likely to work for you, unless you are profoundly insulin-resistant.

Weighing 165 pounds at six feet tall is a bit under weight, though not by much at all. You therefore want to be sure to get enough energy to cover your daily expenditure, and the most effective way to do that, in my opinion, is to eat to satiety. This means not eating unless hungry, stopping eating when no longer hungry, and not eating again until hungry again.

In the absence of carbohydrate, protein tends to take care of itself, and the rest should be calories from fat. Three things you appear not to be taking into account are that (1) fat has twice as many calories per gram as protein and carbohydrate (9 cal/g, as opposed to 4 cal/g), (2) meat is only about a quarter protein (in general, you can figure 7 g protein/ounce of meat), and (3) macro percentages are all calculated as percentages of total calories. This means that your ratio of fat to protein could well be higher than you realize.


(Chris) #34

Good podcast interview related to what I said in the ribeye thread we just met in.


(Jim) #35

Here is my breakdown for the day. I’m getting my fat up with bulletproof coffee and fat bombs, but my protein is still high. But I’m less concerned about that now thanks to feedback from the community. These are gross, not net, carbs.