N equals many crowd study

(Chris W) #21

For people with body fat to lose, It’s not as hard as you are describing it to be, Eating eggs, bacon, pork shoulder, chuck roast, ground beef, ribeye etc, I can fairly easily maintain ketosis without even adding extra fat to any of it. For people looking to maintain and not lose weight, it likely requires more added fat.
People trying to add lean mass (weight training etc.) can probably have a somewhat higher protein intake while still maintaining ketosis.

#22

if losing body fat is “so easy” why is there not more success? truth is its actually incredibly difficult to lose body fat if you are very insulin resistant. so hard in fact that you have to follow a very strict eating regiment than may sound familiar to people on this forum. by looking around this forum a bit you can easily find tons of people struggling more than you appear to be.

(Chris W) #23

I wasn’t trying to imply that losing body fat was easy, just that maintaining a ketogenic protein intake was not tremendously difficult with this way of eating. I could have chosen my words better.
We seem to be a bit off course from the original discussion of Shawn Baker’s N equals many study.

(I am a Dog (Dog's eat until they burst!)) #24

Really a carnivore diet is very natural and even the Inuit Eskimos, according to Stefansson, ate 60 to 80% of their energy from animal fat and the rest was from protein. As @cwstnsko mentions above there are plentiful meats at most markets that give us ample fat ratio. I even special order cuts to be ‘untrimmed’ to preserve all of the fat.

I will also ask for some of the trimmed fat just to cook up and eat. The really nice is most butchers will give it to you because it will just go in the garbage otherwise. Free food!

(Charndra Pile) #25

Jeez, can someone please put a link to the tracking website for me? I’ve been hunting on my phone for ages, can’t find it.
Have got to the blog for n equals many, but even in the forum all I’m finding is references to the track=well site, but no direct links, I’m going crazy as Google hasn’t indexed it yet…

(What The Fast?!) #26

@Jason_v @ron-coleman @cwstnsko I’ve been ZC for about 35 days and checking ketones and have been in nutritional ketosis the whole time. I eat mainly beef, but some bacon and occasionally eggs. If you were to eat only 80/20 ground beef, the actual calories/macros work out to about 75% fat, so you definitely stay in ketosis. Yes, it’s more protein than 1-1.5g protein per LBM, but that hasn’t affected my maintaining ketosis.

Most ZC people don’t track ketones or care about ketosis, but if you’re only eating animal meat (along with the fat attached to it), it’s hard not to be in ketosis. A lot of people think too much protein will kick them out, but I haven’t experienced that.

Granted, I’m not losing weight…but I didn’t on keto either.

@Chthulhu the tracking site is http://track-well.com

(Chris) #27

Andrea already linked it, but I just wanted to point you to nequalsmany.com. Click on community to see their forums. Or click on blog for the announcements which should include trackwell in it somewhere.

#28

good for you. many of us wouldn’t be in ketosis with that much protein, regardless if the ratio is correct.

(What The Fast?!) #29

You can’t know unless you test! I think by eliminating all carbs, most people maintain ketosis even with high levels of protein. Gluconeogenesis is demand-driven, not supply-driven.

(Chris) #30

It’s worth noting high level athletes such as fighters dip in and out of ketosis easily due to the heavy training, but they require a larger amount of carbs to get knocked out. Just more food for thought. Our bodies are definitely not black and white.

Not only that, 24/7 ketosis might not be what we need anyway. It’s a hugely beneficial tool though.