My first KETO discussion (argument) over dinner

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(Empress of the Unexpected) #64

This whole thing is not good for newbies. Why are we having so many arguments lately? I have been on here five months, and this is happening more and more. We need to somehow politely support differing opinions.

(Running from stupidity) #65

Weā€™re all crims, what else do we have?

:slight_smile:

(Empress of the Unexpected) #66

People, calm down. This is about eating healthily. Just please keep it that way. Stop the name-slinging. Everyone, take a deep breath. Newbies are reading this. They wonā€™t understand.

#67

Pretty much took the words out of my mouth, Carl.

Regina, I would argue that this argument IS for the Newbies. When someone comes to a forum about the ketogenic diet, and reads someone saying stuff like ā€œFruits are good (in moderation)ā€ and ā€œKids need carbs in moderationā€, they are begin confronted with information that is contrary to the ketogenic diet, and the healthy lifestyle it can provide.

That stuff needs to be countered, especially when this person claims to have evidence, but provides none. Sure, the discussion is getting a little heated, but whose fault is that? The ones defending the ketogenic diet, or the one who falsely claimed fruits and carbs are good in moderation.

If Iā€™ve learned anything from this forum and eating keto, itā€™s that carbs make you eat MORE carbs. So, if your promoting a diet of moderated carb intake, and eating carbs create a physiological need to eat more, then how exactly are you promoting eating carbs in moderation. I donā€™t think itā€™s possible. Itā€™s a fallacious argument.

Carbs are NON-essential. Ideally, we only get carbs from the few vegetables we eat, but based on what Iā€™ve read around here lately, Iā€™m not even sure those are necessary. If you love vegetables, fine, eat some, but not because you think itā€™s essential to eat carbs.

Now, to Matthewā€™s question about kids, I do have kids. Two teenage kids. One doesnā€™t eat keto, the other is pretty much carnivore. I can be an example to them, but they buy their own food, so my days of being in control of what they eat are gone. I WISHED TO GOD I HAD KNOWN ABOUT THE KETOGENIC DIET WHEN THEY WERE LITTLE, BECAUSE I DEFINITELY WOULD HAVE DONE THINGS DIFFERENT.

It almost breaks my heart thinking of the stuff I used to feed my kids that I now believe is nothing more than pure poison to the body. The only thing I can do now is be an example through what I eat, and hope they will learn from my mistakes.

Sorry, Regina, but I donā€™t feel like this discussion has gone off the rails or anything. Maybe, some words could have been better chosen, but Iā€™m gonna lay blame for this argument on one person, and it ainā€™t that ā€œtrollā€ @juice.

Dang, guys! I got in on this conversation early, then got busy with work and missed all the fun!

I canā€™t help but feel like this discussion perfectly fits the OP. I mean, she did use ā€œargumentā€ in the title. :grin:

#68

Fruit, in my opinion was meant to be seasonally stumbled across in nature. If this was the case, have at it and eat said fruit until full. It wasnā€™t meant to be available 365 days a year at unlimited quantities.

#69

Iā€™m still not eating it tho. Sugar makes me hungry.

(G. Andrew Duthie) #70

Please dial it down folks, and leave the politics for elsewhere.

Locking this topic, because honestly, I donā€™t see things going in a happy direction, and would rather stop it now than clean up the aftermath.

(G. Andrew Duthie) closed #71