Merry Christmas all! 2 months near ZC going full binge tomorrow


#1

Merry Christmas all!

I plan on having a little bit of everything tomorrow, pie, ice cream, nanaimo bars, roasted potatoes etc etc. I’m still going to eat a load of turkey and prime rib but won’t stop myself from indulging.

I’m curious what to expect or what others have experienced when going off the wagon in terms of discomfort. I’m slightly worried I’ll become effectively incapacitated.

I’m not going to just go full tilt and eat as much junk as fast as I can, I plan on just eating like a normal person with an above average appetite at Christmas dinner. As far as damage control I will have been 3 days fasted by the time dinner starts.


#2

I get destroyed physically.

I can’t do it and won’t be doing it.

Wish you the best :slight_smile: But for me, omg, being zc for years I did the total carb day and in the end I suffered for days, hell I thought I might have to go to the ER or something it was that nasty LOL

I learned. For me there is no going off my lifestyle anymore. It is just a part of me now and I wouldn’t entertain eating a full carby day ‘like a normal’ person ever again, I don’t wanna ever feel that icky again.

There is no damage control. The carby food hits the body and boom…you either do ok or that junk is gonna take ya down. I am the type that went down down and 1 more down LOL

But only thing you can do is see how it nails ya or if you come thru it ok or if it triggers craves and backslides from this day or ??? Unless one does it one never truly knows. You are brave. :slight_smile:

Give us an update later.


#3

Enjoy your Christmas feast! I’ve not made a transition between carb levels quite to the extent of what you’re planning, but have certainly had carb binges while on very strict keto. The most noticeable experience physically for me was the bloating. My stomach felt like a balloon. I felt heavy and blocked up and it took a week or two for my toilet habits to return to normal. I also experienced more hunger and more cravings in the days following, almost a return to pre-keto levels.

The most challenging thing at this time of year (for me) is actually keeping it to one day. If you have a fridge and pantry full of leftover foods you don’t normally eat, but have been serving to family and friends, it’s easy to tell yourself you will get rid of them… but nibble by nibble, they hang around for a few days and before you know it you’ve spent a week off track.

I just finished a long day of Christmas eating, with a relatively modest amount of carbs - but one full-sugar dessert - and am determined to get back on track tomorrow. It will require some ruthless and highly-organised packing up of said foods. I am going to try and re-gift most of the numerous boxes of sweet things we seem to have acquired. It may upset my husband, but better to ask forgiveness than permission :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:


(Bob M) #4

Three days with no meals, then Christmas lunch/dinner? For me, that would put me in the bathroom many times during that day. I find I have to ease into eating.


#5

I think I will. Campbells from the box chicken broth around noon then an hour or so later something lean and light to “wake up” my sleeping stomach.


#6

oh dam lol, hopefully I fair better. As you said unless one does it one never knows. I think I’ll do an intense full body workout (pushups/sit-ups/roman-chair) in hopes to signal my muscles to deal with the incoming carb bombardment.


(UsedToBeT2D) #7

It seems an admission that Keto is restricting your enjoyment of food, that you need eat all that garbage.


#8

When I still could do a very serious, wrong, high-carb day (the most I could do NOW - not now, I really don’t want any carbs in the near future but this year - is 12 servings of candies, nothing serious. the portions are tiny like 1 Timtam :D)…
I still ate a lot of fatty protein, of course and then lots of carbs. The wrong kind, not just a loaf of bread, I am WAY worse with sugar especially added one in some store-bought stuff.
Well.

After a few paleo-ish month, it was a pretty recognizable blow. I probably even got comfortable, maybe bloated (I don’t know what bloating is as I am not sure I ever had that but it seems the right word…?) with borderline stomach pain so pretty serious in my books. But I had to try :smiley:

After some carnivore-ish time, the same does nothing. I seem to have some weekly carb quota, I experienced it zillion time in my several on/off keto years. So as long as I come back soon, I am fine. BUT it’s still noticeable that it’s not my ideal way of eating. My energy, mind and healthiness feels about the same (unless in extreme circumstances. I couldn’t eat a ton of almost pure sugar alone but that probably would be not nice), it’s a subtle feeling. And of course, in my case carbs bring their stupid lack of satiation/satisfaction, I need to eat more and more… I still can choose my proper food at that point (at least now that I don’t really want to wrong things. I may be curious and try them but much of them seems pointless. only compulsions can do it but as time passes, they are less frequent) and that solves most of the problems.

So that’s me. One day can’t cause much bad as I just won’t abandon my precious eggs and meat, I still eat them. Maybe less but they still mitigate the problems, quite seriously.
If it’s my carbier day #11 (not high-carb, I always bounced back early and it just got better), well that’s bad news, even a little off eating upsets my body (nausea, belly ache, bloating. not fun). I have a smart but pretty indulgent body but if it reaches its limits, it puts its foot down and it’s the right thing to do. I shouldn’t be an idiot, seriously.

I’ve read other people’s stories, a lot of them.
The experiences are all over the place. Some people can do more than me: they just start to eat high-carb, continue for years and they just don’t feel the irresistible pull back that I feel almost immediately. No pain or anything either.
But some people just eat a tiny bit of wrong carbs (it’s vegetables for some people, amazing how different we are) and they are in pain for hours at least.
Most of us are in-between. And it’s not always the same. It depends, obviously. I mentioned what are important factors for me. How many carbs I ate recently? Less is better. Amounts matter a lot, obviously. Type of carbs. What I ate before and especially after the carbs. Or with. I can do some sugar poisoning on keto just fine if I go and grab a bunch (I mean, not 5g or something. still not much, obviously) of very sugary fruit and eat it all alone. Sausage afterwards? Nothing happens. I still am aware that it is some lovely candy, not proper food for my body.

Rare, subtle off eating is a way better idea for me but we are all different. And sometimes I choose one very carby day over 14 lowish-carb ones especially that certain carbs mess with my mind, though that’s a good sign that I just should forget about it or train myself more.

(A carby day always helps with my fasting, though… I just get super satiated for quite long - still no EF happens, usually so not that long - , no wonder as I eat bigger meals… Once I wanted OMAD for a few days so much I ate carbs to make it very easy… I don’t do that anymore. If fasting is harder, I find another way to make it easy again.)


#9

Can’t you just leave eating those stuff (or a little part if it’s too much) to him? I totally use my high-carber SO with a huge sweet tooth (a cake is a perfect breakfast to him. or half-lunch or dinner. without added sugar as he dislikes that a lot), he usually eats up anything I don’t want. But we do our best to avoid added sugar, we still get it in gifts but only a few times a year. If I cook or bake for others, I never use added sugar. Or flour if I can get away with it but I can. And if someone can’t be happy with a nice pork chuck roast, I don’t understand them. It was a hit yesterday. Best Christmas dinner ever.

If I decide it’s “his food”, I lose interest, it’s a nice thing of my mind, I have enough difficulties without wanting to eat my SO’s sweets. And it helps that most not homemade sweets aren’t so good (typically way too sweet though there are ways to deal with that). And my body likes them even less. And it’s useful to remind myself that I can eat so, so much better stuff.

But I came a long way and indeed, not having the bad stuff at home is the best. It’s just not always realistic. I never would throw out my SO’s sweets but I am unable to throw out any food anyway… And he eats carbs all the time so I had to get desensitized eventually. It’s not always very easy, we all have our weak points… But even an undisciplined one can change for the better.


#10

I get where you come from I think… But not necessarily. I can eat a bunch of carbs without any particular desire towards them, knowing I will lose lots of joy compared to my normal eating. Compulsions are evil and hard to understand them. I don’t have such things often but it’s so bad when they happen. My poor pride. And my poor body too. And my lost joy. One of my goals for 2022 to be a better hedonist. A true hedonist never does this. They choose the right things and enjoy the hell out of them. And compulsions never happen. Or bad temptations.


(Will) #11

I’m sure those that choose to do it the way you’re planning have different results. For me I’m just now approaching 30 days into my keto journey. The difference in how I’m feeling each day already have made it fairly easy for me to decide that I’m not touching any of those things gs at our family dinner today. Not having sugar cravings any longer has been a life changing thing for me so far and I can’t see any way that I will take the chance on going back down that road. Merry Christmas


(Marianne) #12

That’s me, too. Everybody has a choice, but this is mine. My issue is I have a bona fide food addiction. If I were to cheat, I cannot predict how long I’d be off, my addiction telling me that as long as I “cheated,” why not use this opportunity to eat all the delicious things I’ve missed and then get back on the horse. It doesn’t work like that for me. Days would turn into weeks, possibly. Five months after I started and was on clean keto, I cheated at a wedding and binged out on cake, cookies and chocolate. Physically I was okay, but emotionally, I was really shaken by the insidiousness of my food addiction. All that guilt and hopelessness came back.

Each of our programs is different, and we all have a right to choose. You look like you have a great physique. If you’re a Star Trek nerd, the prime directive is “bring no harm to the host.” Just remember that a cheat isn’t as innocent as it seems. You are completely messing with your metabolic process and introducing food toxins into your body - a body that has been healing the entire time you’ve been on keto.

My husband has done cardio and weight lifting his entire life. He has a beautiful body, naturally and only enhanced through exercise. Unlike me who never cheats, he will every couple of months (or less), entertain actual binging on candy, his kryptonite. He’ll be off for several days or more - because he can’t get back on. He’ll sleep and be crabby the next day. It’s no picnic for me, forget him. And I keep reminding him of what he’s doing to his body, on the inside. It’s taken me a lifetime (I’m 63), to finally see my body as a temple - such a perfect mechanism - and I treat it that way now.


(Robin) #13

@Iskandar I’ll be VERY interested to hear how you do! I’m at the point where the things I do not eat, also happen to be on my “this food makes me feel bad” list. There are things on that list that I will LOVE LOVE LOVE forever.

But all it takes is remembering my achy joints, my gut flair-ups, my lethargy, etc… and that coconut cream pie loses all it’s appeal. That’s reason number one I won’t cheat. The other is that I am a former addict, and I respect those slippery slopes and know better than to even approach.

BUT…… If I could, I probably would too. A day of Mac&cheese, pie, dressing, mashed potatoes and gravy, bread, etc etc etc sounds like heaven. If it takes you a few days to re-adjust, you may very well think it was worth it.

But I AM curious. Will your cravings return? Will you want to nap for days and feel like a slug? Or will you coast through it, no regrets.

Be specific in your report. I’m doing this vicariously through you! (I also like to smell my friend’s whiskey.)

Have fun. Relish every bite. And I am hoping you are one of the lucky bastards who gets to play outside the boundaries and then bounces back like a rock star. Good luck!


(Robin) #14

Oh Marianne! Prime Directive!!! This is why I love you! I am now even more certain that we were separated at birth.
Merry Christmas! :vulcan_salute:


#15

Seems like you know me better than I do. (insert wifes name) is that you?


#16

Will do. My son is turning 2 end of the month and this is my first time as Christmas dinner host so it has been wild. I hardly slept today, took 1.5 hours to fall asleep around 1:30 and woke up at 3:45. My thinking is fasting as lean as I am (singe digit BF) for 3 days isn’t the same as fasting while carrying more adipose. So the lack of sleep + introducing carbs is sure to put me into nap mode later today.

I’m trying to structure this as much as possible as to not be a total mess for Christmas so the nap is something I plan on doing at a specific time.


#17

How many times did Picard or every other captain break the prime directive :wink:


(Laurie) #18

Tricky! Some years ago, after I had lost 50 pounds on Atkins, someone shoved a piece of pie at me and said, “Come on, it’s Christmas.” That led to 15 years of gaining weight and struggling to get back on track.

More recently, I’ve done okay with “planned cheats,” such as you’re describing. If you pig out on the pie, etc., you might have the stomach issues and so on that others have mentioned. But a taste of this and that might be fine. I’ve found that most of the satisfaction is in the first bite anyway.


(Joey) #19

@Iskandar Your body, your call.

Mine didn’t come with an owner’s manual so I had to learn while flying.

No doubt, you shall do the same. Merry Christmas! :vulcan_salute::evergreen_tree:


(Marianne) #20

Proud to call you sistah! :hugs::grin: