https://vegnews.com/2021/10/meatless-mcdonalds-mcplant-burger-america
McPlant
Tmdlkwd
(Troy)
#1
Digital_Dave
#2
Iâve always found it funny how a vegetarian who doesnât like meat, is against eating meat, wishes others wouldnât eat meat, etc., ⌠would then want a sandwich created from plants, and whatever else, that is made to âtasteâ just like something they are so against? 
Always reminds me of those âYou wonât believe itâs not butterâ things from years ago. But I guess it might go well with their nearly indestructible âAre they actually Fries?â 
Shinita
#3
I understand it to some extent. There are vegetarians who love meat (the flavor) just the doctor said they must avoid it� I heard about such things.
I was a vegetarian out of principles (I still kinda have those but I am poor and selfish and my health and well-being is the first but I do what I can. I never was totally against killing animals, no matter what, itâs not that planet. animals are killed for vegans too anyway and especially for vegetarians). Good pork was the tastiest food for me all the time. I just didnât eat it and it was perfectly fine (I couldnât even find proper good pork at that time). Well actually I was a vegetarian to avoid eating chicken every Sunday but I had principles too. I am very much against animal cruelty. And could live without meat just fine.
But thatâs not the point here.
I never understood âfake meatsâ, I definitely didnât want them. And I still very seriously doubt that anything can be even vaguely similar to meat that isnât meat. Well okay there is a cracker with pretty nice bacon flavor. But it still has no meat flavor just that smoky something.
When I was a vegetarian, fake meats here were awful (I had to taste it once, after years, I am super curious). I was amazed HOW on earth can they make such a gross thing out of all those tasty plants⌠
Even the grain part is better let alone the spicesâŚ
I am quite fine with seitan if I want to avoid meat (that I donât but now I have meat aversion and donât want eggs either. hard to do carnivore this way but I am a stubborn one. I still do my best not to eat seitan and legumes but those are my plan B)⌠Itâs NOTHING like meat (so great for meat aversion times) and itâs super delicious. Tons of Hungarian paprika can mask even the gluten flavor Itâs best fried in lard, by the way but I put some into it too. Good lard, not the store-bought stuff. Hey, I am no vegetarian since several years, I can do that
But each to their own, I suppose. Vegan fake meat things are often hilarious. My fav is when they try to make extreme low-fat bacon and roasts from fruitsâŚ
I am very very sure than a proper vegetarian or vegan is just fine with their zillion different plants even without making meringue from chickpea liquid and making something totally fried egg or salmon egg looking with lots of effort. Though maybe those are hobby things⌠I would rather eat some proper, honest plants but I have my fun experiments as well. Like making perfectly carnivore cakes Well, carnivore-ish, at least. I like my spices and itâs pretty hard with only animal âflourâ though I have nice results depending on them.
I am sorry, I will read the article later too.
OldDoug
(Doug)
#4
Theyâd be selling Soylent Green burgers if they thought they could make a go of it.
Digital_Dave
#5
As should everyone be⌠toward animals, or anything else for that matter.
Itâs similar to how many folks that know me, know that Iâm one of the biggest Animal Lovers most will ever meet, but yet, I hunt. 
I like to think of it that they too hunt, when they pick out steaks they want to purchase at the store. Just because you didnât harvest the animal yourself, doesnât make it better or worse that you can partake in itâs value and consumption. ⌠I, on the other hand, would much rather harvest an animal myself, since I know how the meat was handled throughout, and itâs from a free-roaming animal & not necessarily farmed for simply consumption. Iâve seen my share on that subject.
My point above was that similar to the commercials they run for these âmeatlessâ burgers, and how the actors make it appear that it taste so magnificent, and that they finally can enjoy something with a meat taste, opposed to plants, etc. ⌠And maybe it does, to them? I myself will never know.
Digital_Dave
#6
Um, well⌠that would surely give a whole new meaning to their âOver a âso manyâ servedâ theme theyâve always liked to advertise.
Fangs
#8
McPlants are SO out there and now truly getting into mainstream for sure but in the end, no one is gonna change the meat eaters, simple as that.
Oh yea they can try but they wonât succeed, too many of us and too many support the meat industry so⌠let them eat fake plant whatever stuff and advertise and pay the bucks to promote as âmeatâ cause meat is what people want in the âbitter end of it allâ LOL whatever, I donât care, bring on the McPlant foods of the world, I know I ainât going there HA and good parents wonât go there telling and feeding their children good meats who wonât go there and so onâŚI think in the end of it all we meat eaters are ok tho.
OldDog
(Gregory - You can teach an old dog new tricks.)
#10
Hmmmm⌠People really enjoy the taste of meat?
Thereâs a clue in there somewhere.
PaulL
(Bacon is a many-splendoured thing)
#12
Arthur C. Clarke wrote a couple of short stories on the theme of synthetic foods. In one, his characters are ashamed to admit that there was even a time when their ancestors were so barbaric as to take the lives of plants for their food. In the other, a food manufacturer comes up with a wildly popular product called Ambrosia Plus, which raises ethical implications becauseâwell, I donât want to spoil the ending.
amwassil
(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.)
#14
I donât think this and similar ersatz âmeatâ products are intended to satisfy the inner carnivore in vegans. Theyâre aimed at us. âYou can pander to your primitive urges without actually killing animalsâŚâ
lfod14
#15
So theyâre only a couple years behind BK, since itâs McDonalds though I donât see the difference. Not like their ânormalâ burgers are made of meat or anything.
I used to work with a girl thatâs a veggie, she used to get the Impossible Whoppers, she insisted I try it, scary enough⌠not bad! Still tasted better than McBowels ârealâ meat LOL. If I didnât know what I was eating, I (may) have not caught it.
I do love that (at least Vegans) talk about how disgusting meat is, then canât get in line fast enough for crap like this.
Digital_Dave
#16
No âhuntersâ pun intended, of course⌠
Hmm, no. - I myself personally cannot. Because I donât have those urges. Sure, I donât hunt deer for the fun of it, nor out of sheer necessity to provide food for my family, as so many did back in the day. I hunt because I enjoy Venison, first and foremost. Thereâs no middle-man between me and them, and I see it no different then, say, fishing. Only difference is mainly one is water-based, versus land-based.
Itâs also why a lot of archery folks join the two, and simply go Bow-Fishing⌠I havenât tried it myself, and honestly probably never will. But I also donât shoot anything I donât eat.
amwassil
(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.)
#17
To be perfectly clear my âquoteâ was a ref to the vegan assertion that eating plants is a more enlightened way. Not my own opinion. Personally, I think veggie/vegans arenât firing on all cylinders because theyâre using low octane fuel.
Digital_Dave
#18
Oh, I know. I didnât take it that way. ⌠I just liked the âTheyâre aimed at usâ as a hunter pun. 
PaulL
(Bacon is a many-splendoured thing)
#19
The underlying logic of veganism is that eating meat revs up the sex drive, and that this is a BAD THING. It was Ellen G. White who propounded this view, and perhaps we should not blame her. If you were a woman on the American frontier in the middle of the 19th century, you too might not be all that pleased to have to cope with a bunch of randy frontiersmen.
However, the ethical assertion that veganism is more moral because it avoids taking a life is flawed, because it places the life of one food animal over the lives of the hundreds of animals who suffer or are killed when a field is plowed. Also relevant in this question is whether we have the right to take the lives of the plants we kill for food. Apparently, respect for life goes only so far.
My approach is based on the principles taught by a Delaware man, my auntâs father-in-law, who preached that it is not disrespectful to kill an animal for food, so long as we (1) treat it properly during its lifetime, (2) kill it humanely, and (3) honour it for its sacrifice. My uncle and his children passed these sentiments on to the rest of the family.
Digital_Dave
#20
Thatâs exactly why I placed my own self-opposed rules on myself many years ago. (Such as you and I spoke about recently in private Paul) The first was the âI never shooting anything I donât eatâ. But there have been three occasions when I was asked to harvest something for others, when a landowner who was allowing me to hunt his property, asked if I would harvest 1/2 dozen Squirrels for him to eat. To me, it still falls under this rule, since they were indeed harvested for food, and not say just being a nuisance.