I have to say I find it extremely odd that people get kicks out of essentially “playing” with tools that are built to kill people. There is something not quite right in the psyche.
Bugger, I can’t help myself, now I’ll go and have some bacon.
Mass shootings & 1978 dietary guidlines?
240lbfatloss
(Ken)
#43
Asserting that the NRA is somehow a tool of gun manufacturers shows a lack of understanding of the Second Amendment. The NRA is an advocacy group for private citizens who want to protect their Rights. From whomever or whatever group who wants to take them away.
The English Ruling Class has always restricted Serfs and Peasants from having significant personal weapons. Fortunately they could not do that in Colonial America.
There are now estimated to be over 2,000,000 incidents of protective/defensive gun use each year in America.
School shootings are a societal morality issue. What has created individuals who now posses the subjective morality that entitles them to Mass Murder? Identifying that is the real issue.
Alecmcq
(Alec)
#45
Ken
Here’s the problem: what kind of society leads to people having to defend themselves with guns 2,000,000 times in a year?
In Aus/UK, this rate would be less than 1% of that number relative to population (but I have no facts and I am guessing).
Bugger, there I go again, where’s the bacon?
240lbfatloss
(Ken)
#46
You’re exactly right. It is the decline of American Values, which has been accelerated since the 1960’s and it has been intentional. I’m from the generation when as kids we used to take our guns to school so we could go hunting afterwards. At least in America we’re aware of this moral decline, and have passed laws nationally in order for law abiding citizens to carry guns so we can protect ourselves against it.
I’m aghast at what is happening in England as far as your murder rate. Ours is declining, but yours is exploding. Your morality is clearly changing, although it’s mainly from outside elements, but your politicians tolerate it out of Political Correctness, a sham term for Leftist, Globalist ideology. Londonistan now has a higher Murder Rate than New York City.
Many more murders are committed using knives than guns, and dead is dead. Our gun violence numbers are always distorted, as over 60% are suicides, and the vast majority of the rest are criminal on criminal, or committed with guns illegally acquired and by people possessing guns illegally.
Regina
(Empress of the Unexpected)
#47
Both my neighbors have guns. But locked. So what is the point? they will load if some apocalyptic event happens. Still creeps me out. If someone breaks in in the middle of the night, guess what? They win!
Regina
(Empress of the Unexpected)
#49
Very proud to say this. My ex is a San Bernardino judge. They are all advised to carry firearms. My ex was the only one that said NO.
Anniegirl9
(LeeAnn Brooks)
#50
When this whole thread started, I was trying to recall an example I had read recently about false correlations, but I couldn’t quite remember where I had read it.
Then last light I picked up my Keto book Eat Rich Live Long by Ivor Cummings and Jeffry Gerber, MD. (It had temporarily been set aside while I read a book about running).
Shortly into the book it gives a chart showing the instances of per capita margarine consumption and divorce rates in Main. The two lines follow each other point for point. The authors point was that it would be rediculous to assume that eating margarine was causing divorces to happen in Main.
You can’t simply make a connection just because there’s a correlation.
Especially fitting to this conversation was the context of this example, since the whole section was a lead up to how Ancel Keys used this type of logic to convince the country that fat was bad, and thus began US’s low fat obsession for the next 4-5 decades, leading us to the sick, obese country we now are.
So on a Keto forum, let’s not use the same faulty logic that was once used to perpetuate a WOE that we now decry. Let’s be better than Ancel Keys and not make the same kind of mistakes in confusing correlation with causation.
ggv
(Ross)
#51
As I noted in the root post, correlation does not equate to causation.
That said, please see Dr Georgia Ede – Our Descent into Madness: Modern Diets and the Global Mental Health Crisis.
The notion that diet has impact on mental health is not ridiculous.
ggv
(Ross)
#52
She makes a very interesting observation about the observed decline in mental health among young people at the college level. Perhaps young people are more likely to eat more toxic processed foods?
eo4wellness
(E.O.)
#53
This reminds me in the early 70s or so. There was a chart out (which then nearly everyone thought was crazy, but now…hm…) which outlined the rise in compliance with milk pasteurization vs.the rise in heart attacks, leading some to conclude heart attacks were caused by altered fats. It was a very similar looking chart (only going the other direction)
lindalou
(linda)
#54
Poorly regulated access to guns might be another cause - but that may be too controversial for this thread!
Anniegirl9
(LeeAnn Brooks)
#55
It may have been stated in the root post, but many on the thread are flirting with the correlation = causation falacy. And even if an argument could be made that diet effects mental health (which is a valid argument), it’s a huge leap to go from there to it causing increase in mass shootings. For one, as I’ve already stated earlier, there is no confirmed link between mental illness and shootings. All correlations to mental health fall apart when applied to countries outside the US. If a connection between mental illness and violence existed, it would exist in other countries to a similar extent of per capita of mental illness. It simply does not.
The issue of mass shootings is so complex that trying to boil it down to eating too much sugar/carbs=increase mental illness= increase mass shootings is rediculous.
mtncntrykid
(Ron)
#56
Completely agree and I don’t think turning this thread into an anti-gun debate is appropriate. IMHO
Magsymaybe
(mags)
#57
Statistically it is correct to say that the murder rate in London rose slightly over new york’s in the beginning of the year. This is considered to be a blip. By far the majority of these incidents are knife crime within drug gangs. London is a very safe city for the majority of the population. I believe that only about 10% of the metropolitan police routinely bear arms.
Why did you refer to London as Londonistan?
ggv
(Ross)
#58
Ahhh Ok
Yes, the discussion maybe got a tad far flung due to the emotional content.
BlockquoteMakes me wonder if this isn’t in some part related to a mental health issue associated with the change in diet.
Original intent of this thread was to speculate about dietary impact on mental health with relation to change in diet in 1978 and how it might relate to the increase in mass shooting events.
240lbfatloss
(Ken)
#60
Interesting example of Subjective Virtue. No doubt you’d feel the same way if he’d been gunned down during the San B terrorist shooting along with the other defenseless government employees. To deny yourself your own Constitutional Rights in the presence of a clear societal degeneration situation doesn’t make sense to me, unless this philosophy is intentionally designed to encourage the slaughter of innocents. Which, is entirely possible with totalitarian philosophy, as confiscation of privately owned weapons is one of their highest priorities. Never let a Crisis go to Waste, especially one you’ve created.