Long-Term Studies; Studies on plant based vs mostly animal / omnivore ultra-low carb diets such as ketogenic, Atkins, etc.

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(Tom Cal) #1

I am interested in reading studies that address these questions and related questions and topics. I’d appreciate references. Thank you!

  • What are the long-term multi-decade, “lifelong” effects and outcomes of high-fat and/or ultra-low carb diets such as ketogenic, Atkins, etc.?

  • What are the effects and outcomes of high-fat and/or ultra-low carb diets such as such as ketogenic, Atkins, etc. that are plant based (ex. avocadoes, coconuts, nuts, vegetable oils, etc.) , verses and compared those that are are “ominivore” and/or mostly animal based?

Thank you!

(bulkbiker) #2

Hey ever heard of this thing called google?

(Bunny) #3

Very vacillating scientific subject and too early to reach any definitive conclusion but current research when compared with ancient historical records about caloric restriction and longevity looks very promising, also in the way of organic vs. in-organic and ground soil depletion of ancient marine based trace elements and minerals (micron particulate cellular transference or absorption through plants and land based livestock), and lost medical sciences due to pharmaceutical industry manipulation and influence over health care and nutritional guidelines over the past 100 or so years?

(Lauren Lake) #4

Show me the Science folks: I referred the original poster to this forum as it’s not easy to sort out the science from a simple google search. My impression is that long term followup studies are rare, and tend to be based on people who went on the diet as children to treat epilepsy. Thus they have a lot of comorbidities that make them not like a typical Keto dieter.

E.g. studies like this one https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29199027

Can the more expert folks on this forum provide any other examples? And is there anything on the plant-based side of Keto, and whether if the diet is well-formulated, the health and safety would be similar to omnivorous keto?

(Todd Allen) #5

I’d add that long term nutritional studies in people are almost always observational and not control studies. They are typically based on questioning people about their diet, a very imprecise method, and results are biased by confounders which they try to adjust for in incomplete and inaccurate ways. Weak results are routinely reported as if they were meaningful.

For example here is a long term observational study suggesting cruciferous vegetables reduce the risk of heart disease:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21593509

And here is another suggesting cruciferous vegetables increase the risk of heart disease:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6029595/pdf/clep-10-749.pdf

You can find equally conflicting studies about meat, fat and most anything else related to nutrition.