Ketosis and Alkaline Water ( Ph 9.5)


(lucky) #1

Hi ,

I am a diabetic and have been on a ketogenic diet for 3 years it helps me control my sugar level.
After a while I start drinking alkalize water ( ph 9.5) for 1 month and seams that i can’t put myself back in ketosis and have uncontrolled (a bit high sugar level.
I was wondering does alkalize water have an impact on ketosis and sugar level.

Thx…


#2

Apart from the description of pH, what are the ingredients in the solution you drink?


(lucky) #3

@Fiorella

Its just plain alkalize drinking water no other ingredients .


(bulkbiker) #4

well natural water i.e. water has a ph of 7 so there must be something that is making it have a ph of 9.5…
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#5

Do you make it yourself, or buy the water at pH 9.5? If you buy it, what is the product/manufacturer called?


(lucky) #6

Hi @MarkGossage and @Fiorella

I bought the machine and produce the water .

The device is : http://www.waterionizerexpert.com/blogs/news/44146689-how-a-kangen-water-machine-works


#7

I would not suspect that this device, which claims to form sodium hydroxide and magnesium hydroxide from naturally occurring electrolytes in tap water (to create higher pH) as the root cause of cancelling ketogenic state.

Any other changes made to your diet lately?


(lucky) #8

There hasn’t been any change in the diet or exercise … for the last 2 weeks my blood glucose is quite high a I can’t see any katones on my strip…


#9

Pee strip or blood testing strip for the ketone measurement?


(lucky) #10

Pee strip


#11

It is very possible that you are still in ketosis, but your pee strips are not able to detect it. When your body becomes more keto adapted, it will no longer register on pee strips, resulting in false readings. At this juncture, to measure ketosis, you will need to do blood testing or breathalyzer testing. However, many people eating keto don’t bother testing. So this is an expense you will have to decide upon.

As for the high readings for sugar, I’m not quite sure what to tell you, as you say you are diabetic and I suspect you are on medications. I know people without diabetes can get higher sugar readings if they eat too much protein (which forms glucose in the body via a process called gluconeogenesis, and which also kicks them out of ketosis). They can also release sugar that is trapped in fat (as they lose weight), too.

Have you increased the amount of protein you have been eating? How much protein do you eat (as in grams per day?)


(lucky) #12

Thank you for your detailed explanation about the keto strips.

As for the diabetic part I quit taking medication 3 years ago and maintain my glucose level just by following the keto diet.

I usually take around 350 - 400 grams of protein daily and do 1 hour of cardio daily .


#13

The typical target point for protein to get into and maintain ketosis is 1 to 1.5 grams per kg lean body mass. If you go over that, you risk encouraging the gluconeogenesis reaction, which is making sugar (glucose) from your protein. Another thing it can do is that protein is more insulinogenic than fat, meaning that upon ingesting it, your body is encouraged to secrete insulin.

Ketogenic diet is considered a “moderate” protein with “high” fat, and “low to no” carbs. I don’t know what your lean body mass is, but 350 to 400 grams protein is likely over the 1 to 1.5 grams per kg lean body mass range. So, to remedy this, the protein is reduced and replaced with fat, where fat is eaten to satiety (no limitation on amount).


(lucky) #14

@Fiorella

Thanks for your detailed advice , this has been a great help and i will try lowering my protein intake an increase my fat intake.


(Larry Lustig) #15

Now hoooold on a second!

Do you mean 400 grams of actual protein? Or 400 grams of protein-containing food?

For instance, chicken breast is about 30% protein by weight. So, if you eat 400 grams of chicken breast, you’re eating about 135 grams of protein. There’s a big difference.

400 grams of actual protein is likely to cause problems staying in ketosis. 135 grams is less like (but, depending on your lean body mass, may still be more than you “ought” to eat on ketosis).


(lucky) #16

I weight 85 kg now and not on any medication…,
Before I was 105 kg and took medication for my diabetic and high blood pressure.

I think I take around 350-400 grams of protein-containing food.
-sirloin/ribeye steak 175/200 gr each meal
-Roast Pork belly 250 gr each meal