Keto vs Plant-based diet

[kib1]

On one hand the result of biochemical hacks is extremely difficult to discern, even for one individual, definitely.

I was just expanding the definition of “the right diet”, because I feel like there’s this tendency to misunderstand each other when some people come at it from the standpoint of getting to what I’d call a naturally healthy state, some people want to maintain a healthy state, and some people start with a naturally healthy state and aim to go beyond that, building on the human experience in some new way. Does “a proper human diet” include meat? I think so. Does it include NMN supplements, for example? It certainly doesn’t have to include them to create a healthy person, nature did not design us to consume this item. It doesn’t mean we couldn’t potentially be better with it than without.

[PaulL]

a nutritional intervention aimed at correcting a serious problem (e.g., highly restricted diets, even fasting, to treat obesity, NAFLD, and type 2 diabetes) might be different from a nutritional plan calibrated to maintain good health (e.g., balanced diets in metabolically healthy people).

This is Nina Teicholz’s point. The dietary guidelines are supposedly intended to keep healthy people healthy (whether they do or not is not at issue, here). That means that the guidelines do not apply to the 60-80% of us who are not healthy, and we are free to adopt the kind of diet that helps us recover (the fact that this kind of diet differs wildly from the guidelines is also not at issue, here).

[PaulL]

Edit: I don’t know where to stand about “everyone’s different”. I do agree that some tweaking based on genetics and personal history and situation is warranted in order to find an individual perfect diet. But I also agree that in the end we are all the same species with the same basic mechanisms going on inside us.

We are all generally the same. The amount of genetic variation between people is minimal. However, there is such a thing as individual variation, which is why the Dudes insist that (a) we need to know the science, and (b) we need to figure out what works best for us as individuals.

[Geezy56]

We are not different, we are all the same species, and we do best on a species appropriate diet.

Oh I fully agree with you on that. I’m just saying that we are all different in how things affect us and we all have the freedom to choose what path we go down.