Keto: the dark side


#1

Firstly, sorry for a bit of upfront drama. Under another name I’m a semi-active member on the forum and I’ve posted pictures of myself. At least one person in real life follows my progress on there. I want to post about something related to keto that is a bit personal and don’t want it to be traced to me. I’ve made a second account, I’m on a VPN and I’m using a different browser to normal. Admins, please delete this topic if it’s inappropriate.


Keto has been amazing for me and I’ve really improved my health, lost weight, and gained a lot of other benefits as well. There is a bit of a dark side to keto for me though. Keto has made me much more lucid and rational in my thinking, less clouded and much more aware of what’s going on around me. Why is this a bad thing?

I’ve been in a deeply unhappy marriage for years. My spouse really doesn’t seem to like me, and over the years has picked away at my self-esteem. Being overweight for so long didn’t help either. But gradually I lost friends, I got disconnected from most of my family (who live far away), and my spouse would always be there to make me aware of my shortcomings, my mistakes, and my bad decisions. For years I would think it was all true, that only my spouse could be this honest with me, and that I was a real loser. I’d even find myself remembering things happening differently only for my spouse to fiercely argue that I was wrong about what I was recalling, an action that made me severely doubt myself and my own memory for a long time, which I now know in hindsight is ‘gaslighting’ and so on. I had become an emotional wreck, a shell of my former self, quick to tears and lonely as ever. Only my spouse could show me what I was doing wrong with constant lectures and warnings, even in public. We have kids, and I saw me needing to pull myself together for their sake.

What does this have to do with keto?

Keto, strangely, seems to have given me almost all of my confidence back that I’d given up on years ago. I remember things well, even things I had previously forgotten. I am extremely calm, to the point of it being strange to me. My spouse shouts in my face regularly, really loud, and to keep the peace I’d have to stand there and take everything, not responding in any way, then they’d feel vindicated and I’d get five minutes of peace again. I’d often run off afterwards and burst into tears in a room by myself. Now I am calm as ever, and for the first time in years, I can see my spouse for everything they are. They are desperate, hypersensitive, rough, nasty, and false. They are volatile, aggressive, cruel, childish, and stubborn. I have been picking up so much confidence recently. I can clearly see for the first time in years I am in a situation that can be fixed, a marriage that I can move on from and that I am not a fatally flawed human being. I have kids who need me to be strong and happy, and not weak and sad in a failed marriage.

I don’t plan to log back in to this account or reply any further on this topic. Again, it might seem like drama: I apologize. I feel happy that there is somewhere I can temporarily vent that perhaps others might be able to understand. I think it’s amazing how my way of thinking completely changed just by my way of eating. I don’t know what my next steps are now, but I need to remove myself from this stressful environment and find a way my kids and I can thrive.


#2

Congratulations on finding the clarity, strength and realisation that you do not need to suffer such abuse. I wish you all the success in moving into a situation where your worth can shine through and you feel valued and loved. If keto has given you that strength it is only because it was always there - just masked. Shine on xxx


(Carl Keller) #3

I think staying in an abusive relationship “for the kids” can be damaging to them as well. It may subconsiously condition them to behave the same way as your spouse, in future relationships. In many ways, we become our parents.

I wish you the courage to confront this problem directly. Life is too short to live like this.


(Lazy, Dirty Keto 😝) #4

My parents stayed married “for the kids.” Granted, there was no abuse or anything like what you’re going through, but they acted like roommates. No affection. Didn’t really like each other. It was clear they weren’t in love. My brother and I would have rather had them apart and happy, than being together and miserable “for us.” They weren’t doing us any favors. In fact, I’ve had 2 failed marriages and my brother is going through a divorce currently because we both settled. Like they did. Cause that’s what we saw growing up.

Be strong for your children. Teach them that it’s NOT ok for someone to treat you that way. And keep your head up. We are all here if you decide to log back in to vent :heart:


(Bunny) #5

I know you won’t be responding but thought I would comment anyway!

Sometimes silence is better than reacting, it shows that you are more understanding, you cannot argue with a person that has their mind made up all ready, nothing will change their mind even if you are right!

I have found I can tolerate stress (anti-fragility coping skills) much better, which I think can be attributed to BDNF factors (hard to detect). It is a transformative biological process, I can confidently say I am much more insightful and dare I say exceedingly much more intelligent (not an IQ type of intelligence but way beyond that) then I was prior to the ketogenic diet and fasting.

I tend to be more receptive to people but at the same time throwing stress off equally (repulsion & attraction) like a pendulum (Newton’s cradle) with the little steel balls on wire strings and when you think of this in terms of neural oscillation it is like a butterfly effect; bad thoughts and good thoughts are a choice, they expand from the source and strike a balance between neurosis and psychosis; we are always swinging back and forth between the two:

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•fear ===> (midway) <=== anger?

•love ===> (midway) <=== hate?

Anti-fragility vs. Resilience (analogy above)

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Oscillating Neural Network Demonstration: It has been recognized for decades that the brain produces rhythmic patterns of electrical activity, colloquially known as ‘brain waves’. These rhythmic patterns reflect the activity of thousands or millions of neurons, each with its own intrinsic rhythmic tendencies. If each neuron is firing independently of its neighbors, the overall effect will appear as noise, but when they become synchronized, their combined effect can be detected as rhythmic oscillations, which in some cases are strong enough to penetrate the skull, allowing them to be recorded noninvasively with electrodes on the scalp.


(Michelle) #6

I 100% can understand the clarity which you describe. Not in relation to my marriage, but rather my friendships. I don’t know if it is the mental clarity or the lack of sugar highs and lows, but I feel more in control of my thoughts and Since keto I have a better ability to think rationally before reacting to what people say.


(Frank) #7

For me personally, this lifestyle has given me such a positive outlook for the future that I find myself systematically optimizing other aspects of my life besides my health. It’s as if I’m performing a sort of autophagy on my environment. Out with the toxic relationships, in with the healthy and true. Out with the stupid spending habits, in with the budget and debt reduction. The list goes on and is evolving all the time. Declutter and clarify. Rinse repeat.


(Omar) #8

sometimes I say to my self if diet/medicine or genetics make changes to our behaviour then who we are ?


(Brennan) #9

@AOneOff I hope your new found clarity, confidence and strength deliver you and your kids to a safe and healthy place.

@Alpha we are not static, we are constantly changing and evolving, a wonderful side effect of being alive. I really like an old blog post CGP Grey did on the topic called “I Have Died Many Times”. http://www.cgpgrey.com/blog/i-have-died-many-times

"We’re grateful for the decisions our younger selves made. Their marriage in the desert led to our dinner by the river, but though their lives are connected to ours by a string of contiguous days, they are not us. They are no more.

Like the Ship of Theseus your mind replaces itself one small part at a time. Memories fade, memories exaggerate, the new pushes out the old. It happens slowly, but it happens, until your mind is a new inhabitant of an old skull."


(Jane) #10

I’ve been where you are and it was one of the toughest decisions I ever made to walk away from a 20-year marriage… but the best thing I ever did for myself and my kids.

Next week I will celebrate my 13th anniversary with the kindest, sweetest most devoted man I’ve ever known. We still hold hands in public and my home life is quiet, peaceful and contented.


(Doug) #11

:slightly_smiling_face: Good. That is a huge thing.

Ouch - that just plain hurts. Sometimes it’s hard to overcome the inertia of our lives.

My mom describes it as “waking up at age 35, with 4 kids and a marriage she wasn’t really happy in.” It was strange for us kids - we knew that some parents had problems and that divorce happened, but we were like the “All-American family” - it would never happen to us. After a few years, our parents separated, even as they remained very honest, intelligent, loving people. I’m the oldest and for me and my next-oldest brother, it wasn’t too bad - we knew they weren’t happy… It was really wrenching for our youngest brother and our sister, the youngest kid of all.

Good ending - very quickly, everybody realized that it was for the best. Our dad got re-married a couple years later (we gained a brother who gained 3 brothers and a sister), and our mom and step-mom became friends, even to the point of going to a religious conference together, as roommates. Go figure… :smile:

40+ years later now. Do we become our parents? I was always cautious, even well before we had any family problems. Seeing people who got married “too early,” or became parents while still in school - this was not for me. Some girlfriends over the years, but nothing serious like “We’ll get married” serious. Met my wife-to-be when I was 37, got married at age 41. Almost 19 years since then; thank goodness I waited for my wife.

One brother: 3 marriages - first one seemed really good (2 kids), so we thought… The second was on the rebound, quickly became almost hell. The third time was the charm, as they say - patience and really getting to know the other person (and himself) paid off.

Another brother: 4 marriages - first one was to a college roommate; they just went in different directions. The second (2 kids) was two stubborn people being married, and little problems became big ones. The third - much younger woman, impulsive act on both their parts, ended quickly. #4 - they were together six years before getting married, 2.5 years in they seem great.

Sister: was engaged 3 times and she broke them all off. Married in 1998, 3 kids, separated a couple years ago. Getting married to a new, very-solid seeming guy next May.

Step-brother, the youngest of us all, whose world was turned upside-down by his new family: married his college sweetheart, 4 kids, very happy to this day.

I hear you, Omar. Yes - things change, but at very basic level, we are what we do. That seems too simple, and of course it is - life is a process of learning who we are.

Right on - love it. We almost always have more chances and choices ahead of us. (I’ve heard it said that marriage is giving unlimited second chances… :wink: ) For me, progress is slow. There is an easily identifiable course, but my continual identity doesn’t rapidly replace - it’s the alteration of one small quantum at a time.

:slightly_smiling_face: You’re a sweetheart, Jane, and you deserve him.


(Carl Keller) #12

Of course we don’t become our parents in every way, but I bet there’s at least 2-3 things about everyone who can say “I got this from my mom or dad”. For me, I’ve become my mother because I’m fussy about organization and things being returned to their proper place. I now find myself saying the exact same things that were preached to me about where things belong and cleaning up after yourself etc. I’ve also become my mother in that I am very frugal with money when it comes to myself, but I won’t hesitate to spend on people I love. And certainly these weren’t things I admired about my mother when I was a child.

Congrats on your successful marriage. 19 years is a great success. Nowdays, 1-3 years seems about as long as marriages last. For me, marriage wasn’t a word, it was a sentence. :stuck_out_tongue:


(Edith) #13

Maybe the title of your thread shouldn’t have been the Keto, the Dark Side, but Keto, the Light Side. It seems like you have “seen the light.” That should never be considered a dark thing.

Best wishes as you progress towards your new life.


(KCKO, KCFO 🥥) #14

This makes your old way of eating the Dark Side. Keto has shown you the light.

Staying together for the kids; sake is a crock of [spoiler]shit,[/spoiler] my mother did that and my half sisters and I have still got issues to work out. The screaming, the arguing, the broken plates, all of that is dark side stuff. Do not make your kids go through that any longer if you really love them. Be strong, find a support system and move on with your life for their sake.

Sending you lots of hope and positive energy. Go out and be the awesome person you can be. Your husband is the loser, dump him.


(John Stravinsky) #15

So long as you do what is right by your children you should be ok. I was in a terrible marriage for 12 years, we broke it up to make both of us happier. Then my ex-wife learnt how she can game the system, in Australia anyway, by stopping contact between me and my children for extra money. The children were damaged by it and it was totally unnecessary. I haven’t seen my children in about 6 years now. My advice is break it up, abuse is awful, but don’t then make the children suffer “to get back at him”.


(squirrel-kissing paper tamer) #16

I’m glad you are finding your self worth and calmness. Best wishes on your journey.


(Sara Faye Lawton) #17

Abuse is abuse. Reading your note sounded exactly like what I went through for over 20 years with my exhusband. No one has the right to do that to someone else. And the stay together for the sake of the children is a load of junk. That WAS my childhood with screaming parents. Kids can adapt, trust me. You are a person of worth. You don’t need to stay with him. That kind of abuse is one step away from physical abuse. I wish you luck.


(Kat Klavon) #18

You are an incredible, amazing human being! I don’t know you, but I hear you and I am going to validate that Keto can and has changed my hormonal brain chemistry. Everything you said about that is completely valid for me as well. I don’t have that kind of relationship with my husband, but I grew up in that kind of home - with a physically, verbally, emotionally narcissistic abusive male who killed my child spirit, and I have spent my lifetime recovering from that abuse. Bravo on your health giving you the ability to see yourself in a state of homeostasis, and on your wonderful brain, giving you clarity and insight into your next moves. Although you won’t come back to respond, I hope you are reading all of these awesome people’s responses to you. I have a few things I want to recommend. 1. A book called The Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz, 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOeQUwdAjE0&t=149s <—WATCH THIS. This was my childhood story. I only wished that my mother would have been brave like you. So, I am sending you BIG love! You’ve got this. Lastly, YOU ARE WORTH IT. Shine On!
Peace, Love, and Joy! ~ Katniss


(Kat Klavon) #19

Although, we cannot see the light, without the dark. <3


#20

Part of this just makes me sad to read. On the other hand, I never look at waking up to a bad situation a downside. The clarity I’ve been experiencing on Keto is helping me see my unfortunate situation(s). It does help me make plans to remove myself from the bad and work to find better.
I wish that for anyone who needs to do the same.
Good luck on your next move forward.