Sorry, you are incorrect. I am a normal weight, though did lose 15 pounds on keto. The reason I am here is for the first time in my life my triglycerides are very high, and now that I am tracking my blood glucose, it’s higher than I want it to be as well, though I am making progress. I may not have more pounds to lose, but my health is at stake here and keto is working for me. Just to throw it in here, when I went for my dental cleaning after only two months on keto, my dentist was amazed and said for the first time I had not built up any plaque. There are healthy overweight people, and thin sick people. Why would you go on a keto website and try to sway people to your way of thinking. I have been here long enough that I just find it weird and mildly amusing, but there are some newbies that are still very confused and your posts are not helping them in the least.
Keto: regardless of where you stand
Hey Bill! You are right, it is important to understand other perspectives, and to realize that ketosis isn’t the be-all-end all, especially if one is beating themselves up over it. I do think anyone should be able to post counter-perspectives, and be ready for debate. As a complete nerd, with access to a university online library, I looked up the scientific studies that the guy in the video shared that affirm his own point of view that it just comes down to protein, CICO, and exercise:
Helms et al, 2014 “Evidence-based recommendations for natural body building contest preparation: nutrition and supplementation” - this study was done for bodybuilders in their 2-4 month preparation before a competition. They found that “Caloric intake should be set at a level that results in bodyweight losses of approximately 0.5 to 1%/wk to maximize muscle retention. Within this caloric intake, most but not all bodybuilders will respond best to consuming 2.3-3.1 g/kg of lean body mass per day of protein, 15-30% of calories from fat, and the reminder of calories from carbohydrate…. Satiety and fat loss generally improve with lower carbohydrate diets; specifically, with higher protein to carbohydrate ratios. In terms of performance and health, low carbohydrate diets are not necessarily as detrimental as typically espoused. In a recent review, it was recommended for strength athletes training in a calorically restricted state to reduce carbohydrate content while increasing protein to maximize fat oxidation and preserve LBM. However, the optimal reduction of carbohydrate and point at which carbohydrate reduction becomes detrimental likely needs to be determined individually.”
Garner et al 2018 – “Effect of Low-Fat vs Low-Carbohydrate Diet on 12-Month Weight Loss in Overweight Adults and the Association with Genotype Pattern Insulin Secretion” – this was a randomized clinical trial with 609 overweight adults, and they found over 12 months there was no significantly different change in weight between those in a Low Fat vs a Low Carb group. Here is how they measured what ‘low fat’ or ‘low carb’ was: “participants were instructed to reduce intake of total fat or digestible carbohydrates to 20g/d during the first 8 weeks… Then individuals slowly added fats or carbohydrates back to their diets in increments of 5 to 15g/d per week until they reached the lowest level of intake they believed could be maintained indefinitely.”
Johnston et al 2014 – “Comparison of Weight Loss among Named Diet Programs in Overweight and Obese Adults” – low carbohydrate diets collected included ‘Atkins, South Beach, and Zone,’ with carbohydrates at 40% kcal or less, and fat at 30-55% kcal or less.
Veum et al 2016 – unless this was a study to do with pigs and nutrition, I can’t find it!
Howell et al 2017 – ““Calories in, Calories out” and macronutrient intake: the hope, hype, and science of calories.” – This was a literature review, so I didn’t have time to dig deep into the various references they put for their argument. The major argument I saw them using was the results from Taubes’ Nutrition Science Initiative Study, which anyone can look up, and is controversial.
Nope! I am worried about people spreading crap info to others who will take your info as helpful. Sorry. Well, not so much.
Sorry, pal, just because it is your perspective doesn’t make it right. I research things pretty carefully. But, more importantly, I won’t be reading your posts, because I don’t value your perspective.
Again, these are the Ketogenic forums. We are not looking for “possible alternatives.”
Speak for yourself. Not “we.” And if you don’t agree with my posts, don’t read them but don’t try and tell other people what they have to post.
Sorry, but you being on here is kinda like me being on an auto mechanics’ forum.
That’s fine. I’m not offended. I’ll still read yours and offer my input to balance perspective.
@devhammer, @Mglasbrener is correct. This is EXACTLY why it’s not a matter of ignoring him.
In case you missed it, here’s more from the person you’re protecting in lieu of the regulars trying to maintain the integrity of the KETOGENIC forums.
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This is our home. Nobody wants to read what you are posting. We have issues to resolve and keto is working. You need to be on some Paleo or bodybuilding site or whatever. Not here.
Because when I started keto I was 137. Lost the weight effortlessly.
I tried that a few days - just one English muffin and a glass of milk. BG 160!!! No, keto has taught me what to do. Why would I want to spike my blood sugar like that.