"Keto diet" has fruit, sweet potatoes, and low-fat cheese on it ?!?

(Jeanne Wagner) #21

Agreed and I can’t help but think that people just cannot deal with life without carbs (except for us), and they use everything they can think of to try to reassure people that they can still have them.

I was SO controlled by sugar (candy, cakes, etc.) and carbs (bread, pasta, etc.) - and yes I partition them out because they have a different connotation; one is a desert, the other something you’d have for lunch or dinner - that I also could not think of living daily life without them. I did think, what will I eat? Isn’t that crazy now? Now I’m like a crusader against the damn carbs in all forms (except our incidental good carbs we get from whole foods). And I can’t even describe it properly. It’s like it was the ultimate betrayal. I was 47 before I was exposed to this information and I hate that it was so late in life, at the same time grateful that I found it all. I started my obesity journey at 6 years of age. My whole life that I can remember I have been obese, and judged, and made fun of, and made to feel like it was all my fault, and on and on. I have a freaking grudge against carbs, and I need to work it out. THere’a a lot of anger there, a lot of feelings of my life just wasted. I hope to use this knowledge now to continue to learn, and to help others in a real way not just preach. Because everyone out there has the curtain over their eyes still just like I used to. It’s like we’re all in The Matrix. Currently I’m a bit to zealous and I know I turn people off, so that is one of the reasons why I say I have to work it out.

And you betcha @Alecmcq and @monsterjuice I will be turning her onto good sources of information. She even started asking because I told her the story of how the bad fats idea got started with Ancel Keys. She looked confused and perflexed while I was telling her, and she said how can I find out more? So she is already curious. Definitely a good sign. :+1:

#22

These days, I barely give the carb-heavy foods a second glance. I can see them on a menu, but my inner editor just skips right over them. It’s really no different than the same scanning I used to do pre-keto. It’s just that a different filter is being used. It’s the leap to that new mindset that is the tough part.

(Consensus is Politics) #23

I did keto a few years back just to try it out. I went with 50 grams of carbs. It took me about three weeks before I felt normal. I dint know anything about being adapted at that time. Just the keto flu took about two weeks to kick in and lasted about a week.

Last year I was Dx with T2DM. I started keto again to keep my BG under control. Little did I know I would lose over 50 pounds, grow hair in places where it had been thinning out, lower my cholesterol, and make me feel better in general.

I’ve read more than once that ketosis can be reached with as much as 100 grams of carbs a day. Although it’s much quicker to reach ketosis on much lower carb restrictions. Especially for those of us with deranged metabolisms, we pretty much need to get it down to 20 grams or less, some of us do much better aiming for zero carbs, even though our mothers may chide us for it (happened to me today :cowboy_hat_face:. Got a call from my mom and she got on me for not eating carbs. But I’m winning her over. She knows I’m a science geek. And she knows ‘when I know’ what I’m talking about :sunglasses:.

(Roy D Rushing Jr ) #24

Once upon a time there was a diet called sugar busters. It followed many of the tenets of keto, but allowed certain kinds of carbs. It worked, my grandpa lost almost 70 lbs on it. I’m guessing it was essentially what we would now call “slow carb”. Sounds like someone was confusing the two.

(Brian) #25

Would that be what we basically keep hearing about as “resistant starches”?

I suppose if a person is going to eat starches, there could be some value in a type of starch that wouldn’t give a huge spike of energy all at once but rather deliver it’s energy over an extended period of time. It’s still a starch, though, and if I wanted to eat starches, I’d still be trying to make McDougall work.

(Jeanne Wagner) #26

Ok folks here is that plan! I’m still thinking it’s not keto.

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#27

@EyesWideOpen

I certainly wouldn’t be in ketosis on that amount of starch and fructose!
(actually I would be feeling very grotty indeed)

And I have to say that any ‘diet’ announcing that you WILL lose 20 pounds in just 2 weeks is inherently untrustworthy, because anything based on a nonsense claim like that just deserves shredding.

I would just direct your new colleague to a reputable site like Dietdoctor and say ‘nah, this is where you will get proper information about ketogenic eating. You may lose weight, but keto doesn’t guarantee it.’

(icky) #28

That’s bizarre!

All that fruit.

And the “steamed” and “grilled” stuff totally imples low fat, IMO.

So weird!

(icky) #29

This seems to be the website it is from:

(icky) #30

For some reasons, on the website, the Keto Diet Plan actually looks like this (no fruit):

Monday

Breakfast: Egg, tomato, basil and goat cheese omelet
Lunch: Chicken salad with olive oil and feta cheese
Dinner: Salmon with asparagus cooked in butter

Tuesday

Breakfast: A ketogenic milkshake (no idea? Try this one!)
Lunch: Shrimp salad with olive oil and avocado
Dinner: Pork chops with Parmesan cheese, broccoli and salad

Wednesday

Breakfast: Bacon, eggs and tomatoes
Lunch: Almond milk, peanut butter, cocoa powder and stevia milkshak
Dinner: Meatballs, cheddar cheese and vegetables

Thursday

Breakfast: Ham and cheese omelet with vegetables
Lunch: Ham and cheese slices with nuts
Dinner: White fish, egg and spinach cooked in coconut oil

Friday

Breakfast: Sugar-free yogurt with peanut butter, cocoa powder and stevia
Lunch: Beef stir-fry cooked in coconut oil with vegetables
Dinner: Burger with bacon, egg and cheese, (just make sure to skip the bun)

Saturday

Breakfast: Omelet with avocado, salsa, peppers, onion and spices
Lunch: A handful of nuts and celery sticks with guacamole and salsa
Dinner: Chicken stuffed with pesto and cream cheese, along with vegetables

Sunday

Breakfast: Fried eggs with bacon and mushrooms
Lunch: Burger with salsa, cheese and guacamole
Dinner: Steak and eggs with a side salad
(Alec) #31

RAOTFL. Absolutely NOT keto. Not even close. That kind of diet should not even be written on the same page as the word keto. I wouldn’t be eating that… it looks like what someone who doesn’t have a clue would guess what a keto diet could look like… a kind of low fat keto… hysterical!

(icky) #32

Okay…

RIDDLE SOLVED:

I found the diet on “ELfitness.net” It’s called the “boiled egg diet”

The copy your friend has just happens to also have an info about “find out more about keto diets on healthform.org” printed on it.

Here is the boiled egg diet:

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#33

Sadly, Keto is starting to go through what Paleo went through years ago when people wanted to do it, but didn’t want to do it right so they started to change it (in their own mind) but then those people talked to others, who talked to others and down the crapper it goes. I’ve run into that with Keto as well and I stop it right there. I simply tell them that MAIN goes of eating a KETOgenic diet is KETOsis, and what YOU’RE eating doesn’t allow that, then you typically have their attention long enough to steer them to a better source.

(Bunny) #34

The listed menu looks like a FAT-ADAPTED\KETO-ADAPTED MAINTENANCE DIET more than a BEGINNERS KETO DIET because you would burn sugar[1] more efficiently?

A basic breakdown:

3 MEALS A DAY (mild Ketosis)?

KETOGENIC DIET\LCHF (Ketosis = INTERMITTENT FASTING; MEAL FREQUENCY?)

NATURAL SUGARS FROM FRUCTOSE (fruit) VS. NO/WO SUCROSE (bleached sugar cane)?

HEALTHY STARCHES? (least/minimal effect on Ketosis; even less than fructose)

Footnotes:
[1] what little amount and type of sugar you are eating?

(Consensus is Politics) #35

You beat me to it.

I did find this on their site…

How do I do THAT diet! :cowboy_hat_face:

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Overall, although that site seems a bit unprofessional and clickbaitish, it seems to have generally normal keto info on it, albeit with lots of typos and grammar errors (I’m not knocking them for that, but if I wanted to get paid for my efforts like they are shooting for, it should be much better than that).

(icky) #36

:joy: What on earth is the “photogenic” diet???

A diet that makes you look better on photos?? :grinning:

(icky) #37

OMG it’s a typo, huh? An auto-correct!!! :joy:

When I skimmed the site earlier, I read “phytogenic” and assumed it had something to do with plants…

Photogenic is cooool :sunglasses:

(Jeanne Wagner) #38

That’s exactly what I did. She is going to check out Diet Doctor. :smile:

(Jeanne Wagner) #39

I know, right?!?

(Jeanne Wagner) #40

Yes I checked it out. Wasn’t impressed.