Just starting Carnivore - suddenly feeling repulsed by meat / or even perhaps all food

(Bob M) #13

I actually get the opposite, where I’m hungry but can’t eat any more meat. And I’m about 90+% meat, usually have zero or little veggies at lunch, and some at dinner (which is often out of my control). At this point, I fail to know what to do.

For instance, lunch today is beef flap meat + beef sausage + cheese (Humbolt fog and/or blue cheese, for K2), and some olives. Dinner will likely be pork belly + mustard. May or may not have veggies, depending on what’s at home. Tomorrow, will likely have chili for dinner, and similar lunch.

(Elizabeth ) #14

I’m not sure how something is out of your control, you can control putting it in your mouth and swallowing :slight_smile: I’m not being sarcastic I just don’t understand your reasoning

#15

Why am I writing in a carnivore topic again…? Sorry, you are just too fascinating.

I experienced this a lot. I don’t want the same thing all day, I can get bored of anything but it was very apparent when I went low-carb that I desire carbs after carbs, sweets after sweets (those were never the first thing I ate but after I ate sweets and was still hungry, I had to continue with sweets, my SO is the same)… Now I’m smart enough to start with my most proper and nutritious, lowest-carb food and my desires changed anyway. But it’s better to be safe.
Your experiment sounds the best idea. Especially that you want to eat meat. Eat meat then (fish is meat to me, animal) and not almond milk, seriously.

You still need proper nutrition but hunger often changes A LOT if you change your diet (IF does it too but it’s very known about keto. But it’s not about ketosis only, the actual carb intake matters a lot for many of us and even if your macros are the same, food choices matters too). We need less food if we have excess fat and want to lose it, fasting can be fine sometimes but longer term, you need to eat properly. Don’t worry about it in the beginning, it’s normal your hunger is different when you take a drastic step. But don’t starve.

Find your own method. Both of those are bad advices in my case… We people are too different, these aren’t for everyone. And it might be different in the very beginning.
Many people just don’t get suddenly hungry later. Probably it’s even more frequent among carnivores than ketoers. If you eat the proper amount of food in the right times, whatever these mean, you should be okay but maybe not, prepare some “snack” for later then. I think most people can eat cold baked chicken but it might be too lean for you even for a snack but the carnivores surely will have lots of ideas. It’s very individual though. I eat almost anything cold if needed and I enjoy most of it but some people hate cold cooked food. Most people are in between, of course.

#16

The first thing I thought of when I read your original post, was maybe you need to fast for a bit. When transitioning to mostly carnivore, I felt a bit grossed out with eating all meat. Absolutely NOTHING sounded good to me. I’d open the fridge, and was like “eh. just not feelin’ it.” That is when I decided to do an extended fast. I’ve done 3 , 5 and 7 day fasts. I don’t eat nearly as much or as often as I used to, and feel so much better. More energy, better mental clarity, better self control, less stressed. The longer I’d fast, the better I felt.

This led me down a path to what I’d call intuitive eating. I really had to think hard about whether I was actually hungry enough to eat. Sometimes is took 16 hours, sometimes 20-30 hours or more. Then and only then would I eat. (We raise grass fed/finished beef cattle, so, that is my go-to food source.) Sometimes I’ll have chicken or salmon or trout- but that’s about it.

And, like you, I run my own business, run a second one with my hubby, and work 30+ hours/week at another job. I feel great though. I’d credit the energy and focus to fasting and carnivore.

Another thought, maybe up your salt intake? MCT oil, possibly? Could you be low on iron? (I know that was a massive factor for me, as I’m anemic.) When I forget to take my iron complex, I turn into a slug. Just a little food for thought. =) Take care and let us know how you fare!

#17

have you put seafood on your list.
when heavy meat is not attractive, I go seafood. All the best ones I adore. It changes up the protein so much that it feels to me personally like a whole new carnivore menu, you know, like there are true taste difference in options. just wondering on that

(Bob M) #18

I don’t make dinner. My wife does.

It’s this type of obnoxious “I’m holier than thou because I eat nothing but meat” that keeps me from eating nothing but meat. I’m afraid I’ll turn into one of you. You people truly are obnoxious.

Judgement and Disappointment
#19

Hahaha…this so happened to me once!

#20

Excuse me here but I think that comment was uncalled for and unecessary. If a comment was out of bounds then please address that comment instead of insulting an entire group of people, most if not all of whom are trying to help each other.

(Elizabeth ) #21

I still don’t understand why you can’t avoid eating it? Honestly, if you can tolerate vegetables then more power to you. Those of us that are carnivore usually can’t. I’d love to have raspberries, avocado, asparagus. I didn’t give up chocolate because I don’t like it :roll_eyes:

#22

Good morning, Fas!

  1. During changing to Carnivore, perhaps your body/hormones/microbiome undergoes some changes and I had wondered if this meat/food aversion/revulsion might a ‘stage’ that people go through when transitioning to Carnivore? Has anyone else experienced anything like this?

I was strict keto and still had to undergo a transition switching to carnivore. From what little I’ve read, others have had some kind of transitioning period as well.

  1. I think whatever I eat/drink first in the day, sets the ‘tone’ for my hunger/taste buds. If I drink eg Almond Milk first - I want more of that, but if I drink Bone Broth first, I want more of that! I’m going to experiment with eating meat/fish first and see if that works too!

Yes, that is how I am too. I make my own bone broth and absolutely love to begin my day with that. Then a nice meaty/fat breakfast and my day is off to a great start. Sets the ‘tone’ as you said.

  1. Maybe this is what non-addiction to food feels like somehow. Maybe hunger somehow changes on Carnivore? I feel like, all of a sudden, I might just need to eat a lot less. Maybe I need to feel REALLY hungry before I try eating. Other, more general feelings of hunger might just be the clock or other ‘less-real’ forms of hunger. How much meat are people generally eating on Carnivore? I seem to be maxing out at around 500g/1lb p/day in 1-2 sittings. I was thinking this was too little - but maybe it’s fine?

I am new to the carnivore diet coming from strict keto, but I’m amazed at how all my “cravings” have left. Amazes me!! I’m very satiated after breakfast and don’t eat again until around 3pm. That meal keeps me happy until the next morning. I max out around 1lb or a little less each day too. I was afraid it was too little but others end up eating around the same amount and they’ve done well. I eat when I’m hungry and I don’t eat when I’m not. That worked with regular keto and I’m trusting it to work with the carnivore diet too. I do wonder if, after a period of time goes by, my appetite may increase? It will be interesting to see if that happens.

  1. One of the main things I’m struggling to balance is ‘Eat when you’re hungry’ and the ‘Fail to Plan, Plan to Fail’ conundrum of prepping food that’s ready for that elusive time when you may or may not be hungry much later in the day… :face_with_monocle: What kind of Carnivore foods do people prep to eat later cold?

It’s weird how one’s taste buds change on this diet and so quickly too. I’ve never been fond of ground beef (unless smothered in lots of condiments and onions, pickles or in sloppy Joe’s, chili, etc) but now I love to cook up some burger and put it in the fridge. I’m on the Carnivore/PKD so I need a LOT of fat. I buy a 55% ground beef that has heart added and to me that tastes great cold. I use it for meals and for a carnivore quick ‘fat bomb’ if my meal didn’t quite fill me up. Cold pemican, cold pork belly, cold leftover steak, etc, all work for me. Don’t forget seafood too like canned sardines, and so on.

#23

It’s this type of obnoxious “I’m holier than thou because I eat nothing but meat” that keeps me from eating nothing but meat. I’m afraid I’ll turn into one of you. You people truly are obnoxious.

My friend, I was regular keto for 3 years and I saw quite a few episodes of “Keto Police” on keto forums during that time, lol. No matter what ‘diet’ or WOE someone may decide to walk in, you’ll always find some folks who are more adamant about it than others are. Don’t let that stop you from eating the way your body needs you to eat. :smile: I hope you’ll continue to post and add to the conversation here. :+1:

#24

just some comments to the post

(hottie turned hag) #25

Fixed it for you :blush:

People BE dat way, there are annoying zealots in any group. (not meaning you, @Elizedge)
Why my misanthropy is not age, race, religion nor gender restricted. I loathe all homo sapiens equally :skull:

#26

BlueV, while I agree with the general cloud of that sometimes, I have to say Elizedge was far from that. Not even close. None of us warranted an attack like that. just sayin’ my thoughts on it.

(hottie turned hag) #27

Oh no doubt. I was speaking generally :grin:

#28

oh oh thank you then for clarifying :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

(Katie) #29

This may seem very basic, but is it that you are simply satiated? Meat/Protein can be difficult to eat if you are simply not hungry. Usually people can eat further past satiety if they are consuming carbohydrates.

(Robert C) #30

Just something you might look in to is “orthorexia”.

This can really mess up eating patterns.

On the internet it is very easy to look up almost any food and find problems with it - leading to more and more issues with just about any food.

For example, maybe you’ve never run into a negative article on almond milk (that you believed) but, meat gives you heart problems, fish is full of mercury, fruits are loaded with sugar, vegetables have poisons to avoid being eaten, rice is essentially glucose etc.

Carnivore may seem “safe” but males and females after menopause should look out for iron overload. Also, what if your gut microbiome doesn’t work well (after years of abuse) and the vitamin C most people can derive from meat isn’t what you can get - low vitamin C might become a problem. Of course you can supplement but then there is the “If you need to supplement, is the diet right for you?” thing.

Maybe some leafy greens and mostly meat is your sweet spot. Maybe some sweet potato or a “big salad” a few times a month corrects several things. Getting too restrictive might not be the best solution for an otherwise healthy person. Several famous people have recovered from some serious problems with Carnivore but, if you do not have a serious problem, is it best? Taking Advil when you do not have a headache or some other pain is similar to starting Carnivore (similar to an elimination diet) without a severe ulcerative colitis issue (for example).

#31

Hahaha…nope still ain’t buying it. Regardless, though, of whether or not you loathe us some of us around here are fond of you. Deal with it! :smile:

(Elizabeth ) #32

which famous individuals had to recover from carnivore? And how long were they eating 100% meat only? And were they eating the recommended amount of about 2 lb a day? I am well past menopause at age 63 and have been fully carnivore for nearly 2 years. I get complete lab work including advanced panels every 6 months and my doctor has become a low carb doctor because of my results. Her exact wording is that I am reversing four decades of metabolic damage. I don’t think very many people need to be carnivore, I think a low carb is ideal for the majority. But for those of us that are regardless of age we thrive. www.meatheals.com I would never talk anybody into eating carnivore unless they had tried everything and were at their wits end.