Just a rant, feel free to ignore


#1

Today is 6 weeks since I’ve been eating this way and even though I realize the benefits in the way I feel are tremendous and most important, I’m friggin’ p/ssed off that I am getting just about nowhere with weight loss.

I fluctuate between 3-5 pounds lost depending on the day, and today I pulled out the tape measure, compared it to the measurements I took on December 2, and not only aren’t they down, some of them are UP a 1/2 inch! That was VERY discouraging.

I’m going to try to convince myself the gain is because I measured myself tonight after a long day and the last time I measured it was early in the day. Yeah, that’s it. That’s my story and I’m sticking with it.

Christmas cookies and candy all around me all day, people gifting me with food gifts daily, and I haven’t touched a single one. This seems so unfair sometimes.

Rant over.
Sue


Help Please
(Michael ) #2

Sorry to hear that. Do you keep track of calories or macros? Do you utilize intermittent fasting? Do you use sugar substitutes? Maybe you could elaborate on a typical day of eating and someone could potentially identify if there’s an obvious issue

I’d tell you not to worry about the scale, but tape measurements should be giving you a fairly accurate picture.

A lot of people get a pretty dramatic insulin response to sugar substitutes that could be sabotaging efforts. And of course alcohol


(JOE FABEETS) #3

Good rant. I’m not gonna tell you to keep calm and keto on cuz no one wants to here that shit when they are just trying to vent about stuff going wrong. I’d be frustrated too. I’ll tell you this you are doing a great job no matter what that stupid scale or tape measure says.


#4

Hi Michael.
For the first two weeks I tracked everything in Carb Manager and then I slacked off since I’m basically eating the same things every day. Yes, I do use sugar substitutes but no, I’m not a drinker.

I’m not fat adapted yet (I don’t think) because I only manage to go about 14 hours before I’m starving (I skip breakfast but have a BPC instead).

Need to change something, obviously, and will focus on that right after Christmas. The next week, both here and at the office, are hectically crazy so I’ll just keep doing what I’m doing and then implement some changes after Christmas when I have some time to devise a new plan, research new foods, start tracking macros again, etc.

Thanks for not telling me to stay calm, I knew you’d get it. Thanks for the thumbs up, I am damned proud of myself for always throwing myself into something totally and sticking to it which is probably why it’s so darned maddening! If I could think if things I’ve done to cause this I could accept it but, geez!

Thanks for the compassion, guys.
Sue


#5

Oh, typical day’s worth of food is:

  • BPC for breakfast.
  • Avocado and one hotdog for lunch.
  • Handful of nuts afternoon snack
  • Dinner is meat and broccoli or spinach.
  • Evening is some sort of keto-friendly dessert.
    Sue

(Michael ) #6

Sounds good. I didn’t mean to force you to explain your rant. Just my logical nature that wants to investigate and fix problems. It might be worth eliminating nuts or sweeteners after Christmas for a few days to see how you respond. But if at least you’re feeling good, that’s the most important thing


#7

I keep hoping it’s just a bunch of changes I’m going through that is wreaking havoc on my system and that any day now it will all fall into place. I feel my thyroid levels changing again so I’m sure that doesn’t help, but my TSH is getting lower which means my metabolism is revving up. Come on body, let’s see some weight (or inch) loss!!!


(Michael ) #8

I almost wonder if you’re not getting enough calories after looking at your list. Not sure if you’ve ever plugged your foods into something like myfitnesspal to see calories and macro. A lot of people don’t worry about it but if you aren’t seeing progress, might be worth looking at. If you know your BMR, you could analyze whether you’re getting too much or too little. It’s my opinion that low insulin is a bigger player than calories in vs calories out, but too little calories or fat might put too much stress on you and increase cortisol. My weight fluctuates 5 pounds in a day sometimes so i don’t really pay too much attention. Only time it’s easy to see as an accurate measurement of metabolic rate is during a fast i will consistently lose a pound a day or 3500 calories


#9

Just entered all of today into Carb Manager… 1330 calories before the keto-friendly peanut butter cup. Haven’t figured that one out yet, used the recipe online and made 7 from the batch, but I’m definitely not in starvation mode.
Sue


#10

Wait . . . we want our insulin low, don’t we?


(Michael ) #11

Sounds awesome. I can’t do peanuts without issues but love peanut butter cups


(Michael ) #12

If 1330 is around your bmr then the types of foods might be the next place to look


#13

Ack! I thought keeping carbs low and fat high would be enough to see some progress… to have to be even more restrictive and watchful makes it seem like more trouble than it’s worth. I might as well just do Weight Watchers (pretty much kidding, even though WW has worked for me I never feel as good as I do eating like this).

I guess when I figure out what’s holding me back from losing I’ll feel more optimistic, today’s my day to feel sorry for myself and be discouraged.
Sue


#14

What’s in the hot dog?

I agree, not enough food , and especially not enough fat.

Every time you eat protein or carbs, you spike your insulin. Try including your snacks as part of your meals, and eat only 3 times per day. You may be spiking your insulin too often by eating so many times per day and may not be giving it enough time between spikes to come back down.

Just a suggestion to try. I totally get the need to rant!


(Jenny) #15

my pearl of wisdom: try and remember our bodies don’t know all the stuff we have walked by and passed up that day. It only knows what we put in it; but our brains and willpower remember all the stuff we had to see and turn down. so give your body keto and rest your willpower any way that works. Giving the goodies away, regift them, or toss them.


#16

Thanks, Virginia. Last week it was organic, all beef hotdogs by Applegate. This week it’s Ballpark all beef franks, 4 carbs each.

You can understand why I’m reluctant to eat MORE since I’m freaking out that my inches went up a little instead of down. And I would gladly eat only three times a day if I wasn’t getting hungry in between. I thought the point was to eat when hungry so 2 meals and 2 snacks seems to work.

I was doing really well with patience and keeping calm, until I realized today was 6 weeks. That’s when I thought, “something’s not working here…”.
Sue


#17

Been giving them away as fast as they come in.
Sue


#18

Oh I totally get it, but if your insulin stays spiked and never gets to go down, then it is doing its job of storing fat, which would explain the higher measurements.

What are your stats and macros?

Could there be some form of sugar or starch or some preservative in the hot dogs your body is reacting to?


#19

Re the point to eat when hungry and getting hungry between meals:

That’s common in the beginning and the between meal hunger is a sure sign you’re not eating enough at mealtimes.

When I began, I just ate all kinds of extra fat at each meal so I never got hungry between meals. If that meant I had to eat coconut oil by the spoonful, I did it. Or sat and ate slices off a stick of butter. I did this WITH meals, not in between. Soon I wasn’t hungry between meals anymore and the rest of the transition to being fat adapted was pretty easy, knowing that I could eat all that extra fat WITH MEALS on “hungry days.”

Eating enough at mealtimes means you don’t get hungry between meals so you don’t eat between meals.

Sure, eat when you’re hungry at meatimes. Especially as you’re working toward becoming fat adapted. After you’re fat adapted you’ll notice that your hunger has gone away. Really.

Before I found keto I was hungry for 50 years. No kidding. I got up from the table hungry. I went to bed hungry. I woke up hungry. Hungry all the time. Now it’s different. Now I’m never uncomfortably hungry. Now I feel SATISFIED, even between meals, at least 95% of the time. If I do find I’m getting that old hunger again, it is almost always that I’m not eating enough, especially not enough fats. I know its counterintuitive to everything we’ve ever been told, but it really does happen. It really does work.


(Richard Morris) #20

One of the reasons I don’t coach is I really don’t think I know enough to advise people specific strategies. I do know what worked and didn’t specifically for me. I also know the general principals but as Dr Ludwig says “we aren’t toaster ovens” or more accurately we aren’t a machine with a narrow range of expected outputs given fixed inputs.

The problem is that we are a homeostatic system - kind of like a plane on autopilot. What we are trying to do is maneuver the system away from deranging storms by changing the autopilots heading and expecting it to correct itself and fly right once it hits calmer weather.

You can just grab the joystick and manhandle the system to go where you want to - this is the weight watchers approach … count calories, use tricks to restrict your caloric intake, eat non-caloric fillers instead of foods, take more steps in the day, walk the dog more, take a spin class, go for a run even when you don’t really want to. The result of fighting the autopilot is that it fights back as it tries to get us back on our original heading,

The general principal of a ketogenic diet for weight loss is that we want to change our autopilot’s heading by lowering insulin exposure over time (that’s the magic in a keto diet - low insulin). Insulin is a giant lever that determines how much stored energy we are going to reserve - and our autopilot then budgets how hungry we’re going to be, how much we will want to go for a run (or otherwise productively consume energy).

OK so after all that generic stuff - I can come up with some specific strategies. Every time we eat, we raise insulin a little or a lot depending on what we eat. It’s like a bored crowd at the cricket playing with a beachball, it stays up in the air because every time it looks like it’s dropping someone pokes it and up it goes again.

In @Susan777’s case she wakes in a fasted state (low insulin) and has a BPC - now even tho that’s mostly fat just putting food in her stomach will trigger some insulin secretion + there will be a little from protein if she has Cream in the BPC. OK so now she is off to the races, she is in a fed state. 3 hours later her insulin is dropping and it’s almost time for lunch. An average avocado ( https://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/2156 ) is roughly 17g carbs with 13 fibre … so it’s 4g of sugar or starch, and 4g of protein. We’ll ignore the sausage for now because that could be anything. That is going to get that insulin beach ball aloft again.

3 hours later, insulin is starting to drop and it’s time for a snack - Some nuts are worse than others but for the sake of argument let’s say they are mixed nuts including peanuts ( https://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/3675 ) and lets say a handful is 1 ounce (roughly a dozen nuts) so that is 6.4g carbs - 1.8g fibre = 4.6g of carbs + 5.3g of protein. Spike that insulin beach ball up again.

3 hours later dinner time and let’s say a 6oz porterhouse (https://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/3905) 47g of protein, and say a cup of broccoli ( https://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/2872 ) 5.6g carbs - 2.6g fibre = 3g sugar or starch + 1.9g protein. So we spike the beach ball again.

If the desserts are almost immediately then they will be the same spike of the beachball … but if that is an hour after the main meal … that would be an additional spike.

OK so what does that all add up to? From the time she wakes until (let’s say) 3 hours after dinner her beach ball is aloft. The amount of time during the day that the autopilot is set to store energy is roughly 16 hours with 8 hours (while she’s asleep) to use energy.

OK so how do we bend the needle of that homeostatic auto-pilot?

The first thing is when you wake are you really hungry? Don’t eat breakfast because it’s “breakfast time” - eat when you are hungry. Maybe you’re not actually hungry till mid morning, you can probably still make a BPC at work.

BPC is a lot of calories (with a small insulin hit) most people after a BPC aren’t hungry for 5-6 hours, some don’t get hungry until dinner time. But if you are hungry in the middle of the day, eat. If you are not hungry, don’t eat just because it’s “lunch-time”. Like Breakfast time, Lunch time is a myth invented by the food industry.

If you feel like snacking through the day, are you actually hungry? Then eat something. Nuts are fine, almonds or macadamias are the least insulinogenic. But @meganjramos from the IDM clinic says if you need to eat a hand full of nuts for a snack, it means you didn’t eat enough for the meal beforehand - eat nuts as part of a meal not as a treat.

Finally for dinner, Sarah Hallberg says “make sure you add fat to vegetables” a knob of butter or a teaspoon of olive oil over that broccoli, and make sure you salt your meal well.

So as a strategy I would try delaying breakfast till hungry, keep that beach ball down for as long as you can. If you have a BPC see how many hours go before hunger hits - it may surprise you. Try every other day eating bacon and eggs for breakfast with plenty of butter and salt - you might find that that is even more satiating. Experiment - find out what your body is telling you it wants through hunger signals. The longer you stay not hungry, the more your body was needing whatever it was that you just gave it.