Joe Rogan, Dom and some bloke

(Rosemary Easter) #1

Dom seems a very nice, polite guy against a loud, mouthy bloke. Not sure what to think about this but it is 3 hours long.

An interesting discussion on keto and other diets
(Running from stupidity) #2

Joe don’t fear time

(Carpe salata!) #3

What were your takeaways?

(Rosemary Easter) #4

I still have another hour to watch. I found Layne a bit abrasive and insisting we all lift weights (which I do but only little ones as am 64). I think he has too much time to talk and I want to hear more from Dom.

(Nathan Toben) #5

When I sense hesitance in myself to digest a certain notion, usually it is because there is some foreign truth there. After years of cultivating this contrarianism, the challenge now is in identifying when it is time to reinforce my operational settings in the face of contrary information and when it is yet another time to integrate new/contradictory information into the schema.

I may not like the style by which Layne Norton conveys his ideas but his ideas are sound. “Some bloke” is a bit diminutive and perhaps falls outside of KCKO. Keto clarity can be fuel for open-mindedness as much as it can narrow my perceptions.

(Rosemary Easter) #6

I wrote ‘some bloke’ because I temporarily forgot his name and it was meant to be funny.
I have never heard of him, but people who shout and speak very quickly thus not allowing their opponents to get a word in I find very hard to understand what they are saying which is why I asked for other’s impressions, whereas Dom is slow and measured in his speech making him easy to understand.

#7

made me stop listening after 50 mins or so.

(Nathan Toben) #8

Yeah I understand, I think i might partly be me looking for something to criticize but it does seem as though keto discussion can sometimes become overly dismissive. There is obviously a logical explanation for our resentments towards SAD, big pharma, CICO, low-fat, vegan etc. because they did not help us and often times have harmed us. I may be asking too much of keto when i see the levelheaded-ness of keto clarity as a keyhole to more inclusive and empathetic discussion of dieting.

#9

The talk doing the rounds on twitter etc…is that Dom & Layne are friends & that Dom was keen to give Layne a chance to share his ideas. Don’t know how true it is but it sounds like something Dom would do - he’s pretty much always the nicest, most polite & most generous guy in the room :smiley:

(Rosemary Easter) #10

Yes, I could tell from what they were saying that they were friendly, they work out together.

(Chris) #11

Layne really drives me nuts with his reliance on studies. “When calories are controlled”…“When protein is controlled” blah blah blah with everything. He may be spot on with his calorie deficit talk, and he talks about diets being sustainable, but please tell me how sustainable CICO/IIFYM eating is. If you need a scale and an app to dictate whether your diet is correct, you will fail. He really ignores the benefits of hormonal responses in lieu of quoting studies.

(shane ) #12

Layne is not some bloke. Dude is highly respected in his field. Has a PHD, and has worked with thousands of people prepping them for body building shows.

Maybe you should step back and take your romanticizing/religion about keto out of the equation and think about what he is saying.

The biggest take away you should have got from that conversation is this. Whatever WOE you decide, needs to be something you can continue to do for life if you plan to be in the 5 percent that succeed with keeping the pounds off.

(Rosemary Easter) #13

I am neither religious or romantic and obviously AM in that 5 per cent.

#14

Wow. That’s some quality introspection. That is a worthy goal! I (usually unintentionally) default to skeptic/contrarian too. It drives my wife crazy.

(shane ) #15

That is great. Congrats to you for keeping off the weight you lost on keto off. 95 percent of the people out there who try, fail.

The biggest part that Layne is trying to get across is that the only diet that works for people is one that they will stick with. 95 percent of people have no problem losing weight, it is keeping it off that is the problem.

And what I mean by religion, is simply people get way to into their feelings when people challenge that their diet views differ from their own.

(Rosemary Easter) #16

I don’t believe that 95% of those people on this forum who are keto cannot keep the weight off.

#17

I thought that it was an interesting podcast, but meandered all over the place. Layne is somewhat of a lightning rod in his opinions and does seem to have strong supporters or strong detractors. He speaks with authority citing studies, however I believe that many times he got some of the facts incorrect or suggested studies which may not really be that applicable (which Dom pointed out at least once along the way.)

And as always, Joe was irritating in that he has been exposed to numerous doctors and scientists explaining the physiological and epigenetic changes that occur on this diet, and he still wants to bring the discussion back to laziness and lack of commitment and willpower.

(shane ) #18

Well maybe you could start a poll of people here who lost significant amount of weight and have kept it off for at least 3 years. Then you can have your own sample data and scientific evidence to back that statement and send it off to Layne as proof.

(Rosemary Easter) #19

Well we could start with the two dudes.

(Running from stupidity) #20

Yeah, that’s what you get with that podcast, and it’s a reason each episode goes for so long. Joe is unafraid of tangents. It would be “better” if he had more discipline in that regard, but maybe he doesn’t want that kind of discipline. And I suspect the marijuana smoking while it’s on doesn’t help there, either.

Except that it’s a self-selecting survey, so would mean less than nothing in terms of making Rosemary’s point. The ones who are here are the ones most likely - the others have departed after deciding they’re not doing this any more, so that skews the data massively.