It looks well! Well done.
Is that a throne room?
Or a Faraday cage?
Jerky Jubilee ZC July!
Ketodaisy
(Daisy)
#343
Canāt catch up on over 300 posts, but just wanted to pop on and say Iām alive. Currently on day 3 of an indeterminate extended fast
coopdawg
#344
(Not you people)
Wow.
Have you ever had one of those life affirming momements?
When you knew something wasnāt rightā¦but needed just that bit extra confirmation?
Got that. Thanks.
Fangs
#346
I never chat Keto. I am chatting on zero carb lifestyleā¦so key being, as we start and transition into full on carnivore our appetites will flip around, for most of us it happens that way and it is a very normal transition. That is the stuff I chat, zc, not keto LOL 
Fangs
#347
and this is what carnivore is all about good post Azi!
in generalā¦we all have our own timeline on how it goes down for each of us but as we hold zc, we change. our appetites will come and go, flip around some, especially more if we monkey a bit on our foods and get in our own way, (not saying this about you Azi :)) I am saying about that in general from many carnivores who do get off track sometimes, but key being, listen to the body and keep the eating simple is key to this whole transition. Our bodies tell us what it wants, when it wants it, we have to just listen. Hard to do for alot of us, I know I had many times I just didnāt listen, now I do and am very well settled in zc now. But yea, I had to walk thru some issues I had to tackle also coming into this lifestyle but more I just ate when hungry, didnāt when not, had hankering for bigger fat meals I ate them as needed and just followed what the body is asking for. Most of us longer term carnivores understand this and just follow what meats/seafood fish and fowl work for us on what day.
@SecondBreakfast
Sending big hugs and prayers for your family SB! So sad to hear she has passed.
@Ketodaisy
HI KD!! Glad to see you post!! Yea we chat alot around here as you know LOL
fasting? still zc, but trying fasting with it? be careful how that goes down for ya!
MeganNZ
(Megan)
#348
Hi Keto_Lou, eating smaller meals more often can help those who have had their gallbladder removed and eating fat is causing problems. My friend needed to take bile salts. If youāre needing to up your calories a bit, maybe either of these things could help?
Looking forward to the day my pants unexpectedly slip down! Thanks for the good laugh.
MeganNZ
(Megan)
#349
Iām really sorry SecondBreakfast. I hope her death is peaceful and you and your family are holding each other close.
MeganNZ
(Megan)
#350
Hey hey Fangs, so eating carnivore when eating fewer cals than one āneedsā (I put needs in " " b/c all the calorie calculators etc are just guessing and/or using averages and weāre all individual) wonāt lower your resting metabolic thingiemajig and lower your metabolism? Iām fascinated by the thought a way of eating like carnivore and keto can heal things like this. Iām also guessing all those calorie calculators and other ways of calculating calorie needs have gotten their data from folks eating SAD and similar, making their numbers to some extent totally useless to us!
Ketodaisy
(Daisy)
#351
Yeah Iām definitely still zc, but Iām doing an extended fast for religious purposes. Iām sticking with the leading of the Lord in how long I go
JJFiddle
(Judy Thompson)
#352
@SecondBreakfast Very sorry to hear she went so fast. Blessings and peace to you and your family in the weeks to come.
@Ketodaisy Howdy, Iāve been thinking of you! Glad youāre here. Good luck with your fast.
@Karen18 Really glad to hear youāre back to the old job. It was boring before but now itās a safe haven, LOL! Glad your line manager understood and moved so quickly for ya!
LOVE that boa, now that I understand what it is. I kept seeing an ostrich boa stretched across the fence and couldnāt figure it out 
The flowers look great on it.
@Fangs Looking forward to following yāall on another RV beach expedition! I had to read your post to hubby to emphasize how nice it would be to have a little RV just to get to VA and back instead of paying for motels and eating whatever survives the coolers on the way. Since the puppy, 5 1/2 years ago, we havenāt done restaurant meals on that trip, which is good, Iād be throwing down steaks and running up the bills if we were! LOL
Yes Iām glad of āeat as much as you want and donāt count anything.ā I love that itās okay to listen to my OWN body when it tells me stuff. I havenāt yet run into any very rough situation where somebodyās trying to feed me something and I have to talk my way out of itā¦ but foregoing that I know I can do this for the rest of time.
We thought we were going to meet a local winery owner to talk musical performance as he puts on lots of events; but he changed it to tomorrow. So, we had breakfast of eggs and bacon about 10 - I cooked a 12 oz pack of bacon and ate 3 with 3 eggs and a big glass of ice water, then was hungry 2 hours later and ate the last 3 pieces. Mid-afternoon I was copying music and fixed an ice coffee (double espresso) with cream, so good I had another! At 6:30 I mixed mayo, and diced some chicken and a boiled egg. I have a fasting blood draw in the morning so didnāt want to eat any later or have a drink. My drinks lately are weaker and weaker. Just a splash in the glass and then filled with club soda. Working it down to the point where I just wave the scotch bottle over the glass and call it a day!
My brother just called from his hospital bed. Lots of interventions today. Due to the hospital food theyāre giving him insulin but when he gets home heāll revert to his keto diet. His 4 hr surgery ran to 7 hours due to the amount of compression between the discs in his cervical vertebrae - doc had to untangle all those battered nerves! But Iām glad he came through it and heās talking, sounds like his old self, AND he will be half an inch taller!
The deck is so breezy this time of the evening. Hubby went in to eat something so I get to sit out here and type to you. Even at over 90 degrees when we came out here, the breezes were so wonderful, it was comfortable to sit. I took a couple shots of the birdies for yāall.
Fangs
#353
@Ketodaisy, ohhh, very understandable KD!!! I hope it all works well for you too and I certainly would love to see some mega food pics from ya but fasting, darn wonāt be seeing any right now 
Keep on doing what works best for you in your life for sure!
Fangs
#354
well what I mean is a person is not forcing any fasting. on carnivore one might have a few days of eating less but then the appetite revs back up and one eats very well. So it isnāt some āforced fastā we āimposeā on ourselves at all and alot of times it is for very short stints, we just get more and more nutritionally and hormonally balanced as we heal the body and some days our bodies donāt want as much food as this happens. For each of us this will be directed by our own timeline against what healing/repairing and re-balancing the body has to accomplish. Most carnivores donāt stay ānot hungryā for very long and it will be intermittent so when it happens we are not hungry, we just donāt eat and donāt worry about it, cause it will change again but everyone will walk a bit of a different path thru this transition/heal time too.
we can not guess ever how many calories or fat intake amt for the day our bodies require. we canāt even pretend to know that LOL but when we hit carnivore we know one thing, we eat animal proteins and animal fat. Done. So if we just allow the body to tell us how much to eat, when to eat and let nature change our physical demands as it repairs itself, then we will fall into a very natural food pattern that is required for us.
I had days I ate nothing. A few in a row and then days I ate 3-4 lbs of meat easily and I thought nothing of the days I wasnāt hungryā¦what scared me more was eating a ton on some days. I thought I was overeating but that is never a factor on zc. We donāt overeat at all, if we eat meat cause we are hungry and need it, then it wonāt and canāt ever be labeled as overeating as all zc veterans said to me, it is just your body repairing and changing and just live thru the changes when new on zc and donāt look back. Drop all the old dieting baggage in your brain cause it mostly never applies to a zc lifestyle. And to me they were all correct cause it worked just the way they said it would. You are hungry, not hungry, just change your body/eating patterns and everything falls into a very natural lifestyle if one holds this plan long enough to get thru transition and adaption.
What we are fixing is our metabolism 
Our bodies will direct us on how to do that and tell us what to eat as it needs to repair and heal itself. No use getting in the way of what it needs to do. But many do get in the way thinking they do know better than what their body is directly telling them, that is when it goes more bad. Fighting against what the body is saying when it wants to change a certain way is a tough call to do cause in the end, most times, the body and brain win against us well it would work that way for me.
One of the simplest and most important single liners about zc is eat when hungry. Donāt eat when not hungry.
Fangs
#355
@JJFiddle
I love hummers! nice pics
yea a small rv with a kitchen and fridge would be a great thing for ya. Alot of times we stop in a rest area along the highway. being I have a genny on board we fire it up, I got the entire rv kitchen to do any cooking etc. so that helps. Eating out is just so overrated and just something I donāt enjoy anymore mostlyā¦now a great steak house every now and then, yea I can get in the mood for that, but not much more
Super happy to hear your bro came thru ok and is in good spirits. 1/2 inch taller! that is insane!! I hope his recovery goes well.
----------------wow guys July is almost over.
today I got a nice 12 oz. ribeye steak and then I got a 1.8 lb. pork loin roast. fat cap is on the other side and I am gonna 1/2 this sucker. I am cooking the fat cap roast for me personally and then the meatier side, I am cooking separately with bbq sauce for family. good way for us to split a nice roast and I get the best darn part, all that fatty goodnessā¦weeā¦
ZC all the way baby
Shinita
#356
Yeah, I am not so much into eggs so I donāt belong to ones eating them galore. Itās not even 10 a day as my SO have some too.
10 is easy when I am not into eggsā¦ Interestingly, more is hard even when I am. Desire and appreciation doesnāt mean I donāt get bored after 10-12ā¦ And I try not to overdo eggs anyway as they arenāt as satiating as meat. And I like meat now and one pound is a modest amount but many calories (unless itās quite lean) and I eat my other things and overeating is a real dangerā¦
@SecondBreakfast: My condolencesā¦ 
Swap keto to carnivore, doesnāt matter. Keto is keto to me, carnivore included. Some people starve on keto, be it carnivore or not. People are different, even their carnivore is different.
Starving is bad, even on carnivore. I did very low meat carnivore but my protein and fat was good, it wasnāt ideal but my metabolism wasnāt in dangerā¦ But as we see, some people manage to starve on carnivore (just like some manage to overeat) and they actually need to focus on something that results in better energy intake.
NOT everyone should listen to their bodies as the body can be confused, the mind can interfere etc. So one may end up in a very bad place. It doesnāt necessarily get resolved automatically soon enough. If one sees the very clear bad signs, itās very right to tweak something to avoid the negative consequences.
Not everyone is healthy enough physically or mentally to get enough food, maybe itās too much dieting in the past or circumstances or tastesā¦ There are so many reasons to have problems with eating enough. I would have starved on a meat only diet in the beginning, thatās sure 
I couldnāt eat much meat, I was comfortable with, like, half a pound a day? I would have gone hungry to avoid force feeding myself with some boring food. If I donāt want the food, I may lose hunger. And definitely can lose appetite, it easily goes below zero and I canāt eat like that.
I am pretty sure timing and food choices are key but as I barely have experiences with undereating, never was shy with fat and my body isnāt sensitive, there are a bunch of situations I have no idea aboutā¦ But I am sure that in many cases when we eat too much or too little, tweaking should involve food choices and possibly timing as well. Just continuing the wrong, dangerous eating, waiting for things magically get fixed isnāt good for everyone.
@Ketodaisy: Good luck! I wish I could do EF but I will try harder to ensure OMAD on most days for nowā¦ Of course I havenāt a reason like you so itās harder for me. When I get determined, that always helps.
@MeganNZ: As far as I know, starving always slows down metabolism, it makes perfect sense, actually. Just eating at an energy deficit shouldnāt, it does in unlucky cases but most of us lose fat that way, with a proper deficit. Or with a too big deficit but it eats up more than minimal amount of muscles and slows down metabolism so not a good idea.
You are right, if you never figured out, you canāt calculate your maintenance caloriesā¦ There is a guesstimation and it may or may not be close to the real number.
It actually doesnāt matter in my case. My maintenance calories are the same on every woe, apparently, too bad I didnāt get an extra allowance on keto or even on carnivore. But that hardly can be significant anywayā¦ Or can it? I donāt know. But whatever is the case, the inaccuracy of the calculators is quite bad in some cases like me and my SOāsā¦ Our metabolism is just quicker than what is calculated from our stats.
Our needs areā¦ Individual. I couldnāt even depend on the (more correct, IMO) protein needs, ever. I am hungry if I eat so little protein even if my protein source is quite good and satiating. Pork, beef? I still need high proteinā¦
But if itās about certain needs, carnivore definitely changes things. Itās possible it has something to do with the energy need for some, many people talk about hormones and certain items messing with fat-loss, after all.
@JJFiddle: Oh, hummingbirds! I need to be content with our hummingbird hawk moths and I am I donāt see many of them now but we have zillions of butterfliesā¦
Not first and not when our activity is all over the place but if the latter isnāt a problem, eventually we can figure it out. Under the right circumstances, at least. itās not that simple for everyone. I always lose fat if I eat little enough and never if not (carbs play no role beyond the effect on my calories), my energy need is pretty stable too as far as I can tell so itās pretty simple for me. Practically, I canāt lose fat but I know how I could do itā¦
I canāt track accurately but thatās fine as nothing is accurate anyway. I have some vague idea how much I should eat, some even more vague idea how on Earth could I do thatā¦ And I donāt do it. But itās still 2022 and I am hopeful.
Oh of course I only know my vague needs as average! Sometimes I am sure I need more as my body is pretty insistent at getting way more than usual. And it doesnāt feel a malfunction. I surely eat a bit wrong in the previous days and itās a correction. I have this strongest when I eat a ton of meat after low-meat days. Itās an irresistible feeling and I can kind of understand it.
I realized the worst months are basically over. June and July are the āno way I can do carnivore-ish for a whole week, no matter whatā months for me, itās WAY better in the other months. January to April are the theoretically easy ones (I still messed them up until now but hopefully I will evolve enough not to do it next time, I changed a lot since the last time!) but the next months have good chances too.
So I go for proper carni weeks, at least 2 but possibly 3 in August, October and December and my goal is full carni month for September and November as they have no fruit seasons (I think) and itās a too nice chance to pass. And I had more than enough fruit in June already, July was a bit hard as I couldnāt fully avoid them. I canāt always eat whatever I fancy, I still have compulsions and accidents and wrong mindless decisions. And I hate eating carbs especially sugars when I donāt want them, itās not hedonistic.
Is it an eating disorder or just some other mental problem? Rhetorical question.
Fangs
#357
well that is the biggest difference S. Carnivore is not keto and wonāt ever be so we truly canāt lump what experiences happen in keto against what happens in carnivore for anyone. Most can draw some correlations on our changes and progress but keto will never be zc. When one chats zc one is chatting just that point blank!! You can confuse the 2 if ya want, but for people on the plan there is no swap one for the other One only experiences real truths and benefits from carnivore and understands these body, mind and soul changes IF they acutually DO the plan!
You are right in that one can narrow down our kcal intake and our fat intake etc. the longer we hold and stay on any eating plan and how we change what foods we eat and our fat intake as time goes by we can figure out ākinda whereā we are landing. I do agree wtih that but it takes big time for that to occur. Most people come into an eating lifestyle change with āset in placeā limits and restrictions before they even know where their body is gonna land or what it requires to heal and change soā¦that is the baggage we have to unload and let the food do the work. our meat/fat heals us and then we know ourselves so much better thru time on this carnivore lifestyle. Time on this plan is a big key factor for newbies to truly understand why this lifestyle is so rewarding.
Karen18
(Karen)
#358
yes I could just see a feather Boa on the fence lol made me giggle sitting here on the tram! Loving the birdies and your terrace is super with lovely views. Thats the only thing I am lacking which is probably why I try to make my space as interesting as possible x
coopdawg
#359
Iām going to try it. Soon!
Psyching myself up for it. Maybe next midweek.
Meanwhile, Iām in training. Decisions, decisionsā¦tonights options. Steak, or steak.
coopdawg
#361
i think Iāll go for the rump steak, even though i probably prefer the sirloin.
The sirloins have longer use by dates on them, soā¦
Yeah- thatās the good thing about my upcoming ātrialāā¦I love steak and indeed i canāt think of any meat I donāt like. Trying to thinkā¦is there any meat i donāt like? 
I donāt think so. Unless Iāve forgotten.