I've stalled a bit, thinking of trying OMAD

(Edith) #12

Yeah… I have to jump on the bandwagon with @marklifestyle. You are not actually grasping what a ketogenic diet means. It is low carb (you got that covered), moderate protein (you’ve mostly got that covered) and high fat (you ain’t got that covered) way of eating.

I know it is hard to wrap your head around the fact that fat is not your enemy, but… fat is not your enemy. To make your meal plan more keto, you need to ditch the egg beaters and use whole eggs just like Mark said. In fact, it is the yolk that contains most of the nutrients. Ditch the chicken breast and use thighs. They taste way better anyway. Use fatty sausages. You didn’t mention beef. If you like beef, don’t be afraid to eat it, and when using ground beef go for the fattier (and turns out cheaper) 85% lean.

I don’t know what size portions you are eating, but my concern from what you listed is that you are actually not eating that many calories. Cutting calories does work for a bit, but you stay in the low calorie range, eventually your metabolism WILL slow down.

You mentioned you’ve been eating this way now for a month and a half. You are just starting to get fat adapted. You really need to give your body a chance to finish the shift from carb burning to fat burning before looking into fasting. For many people, once they become fat burners they naturally tend to fast. Don’t force it.

Finally, as also mentioned above, don’t just look at the scale. Look at how your shape is shifting. There are many anecdotal stories here on the forum where the scale wasn’t changing but they were still losing inches. It is possible that may happen with you, especially if you are becoming more physically active. Muscle replaces fat and takes less space. So you can slim down but still be the same weight.

#13

I suppose because it’s tasty and as proper as any other sausage… Though after the egg beater, maybe not? Never found any turkey sausage here, too bad, I love turkey, I would probably like that! I eat pork and chicken sausage, usually the former as that is more proper, tastier, fattier and better quality for its price… But it’s fun to have chicken ones now and then.

The egg beater sounded bad to me too, I think I heard the term before and it’s something bad I guess…? No idea what it is, I am pretty sure we don’t have that here, we have eggs. The vegans have some stupid substitute and that DOESN’T make scrambled non-eggs but people use it for that and the result is horrible :smiley: I frequent very few FB groups but the “darn ugly vegan dishes” (it’s a tad more vulgar in Hungarian) is hilarious… I never even was vegan but I can make vegan pancakes that stay together but most vegans can’t :smiley: (The best pancake is a carnivore pancake though, or close if you ask me.)

Everything is keto. Keto itself is all about the carb intake. The health-conscious choosy keto with its blacklist is a keto variant. I ate good things on keto but even without that, it would have been keto if I stuck to the only rule.

Aren’t turkey sausage fatty? Our sausages are all fatty… Chicken breast ““ham”” (lol) is the lean things, sausages aren’t. But I can imagine it’s different in some countries, I saw data about American scratchings and it’s so lean compared to ours… Still fatty though. And I heard about leaner sausages there. But our pork rind has mostly sunflower oil so Hungary has its problems as well where food industry is concerned (well of course. not like people eat the thing, it’s super expensive and doesn’t seem edible, super lean. but the tiny fat is more sunflower oil than lard. I feel insulted in the place of the pig who died for it to happen. and the people of the country too).

What abominations are there sold as sausages…? The worst here are the leanest ones with a ton of water in it but sugar…? Sausages typically have <0.5% sugars here… It’s a SAUSAGE. (And it includes all the paprika the stuff has.)
Even if there are crappy items, we can choose the better ones. There must be nice turkey sausages!

It’s fine for main dish for some people, there is no problem with that, I almost envy them, it would be cheap for me. Totally a very occasional side dish for me, not a substantial thing. And too fatty - except using my air fryer, that was a fine idea… But I still can’t afford much chicken and it’s good as I don’t like it much. Except the crunchy skin, that is great, thanks air fryer.

If doing right. Many people would starve on it (me too, eventually if I stubbornly stuck to it. except if I just had a few tempting fatty bites, it’s ridiculously easy to eat 1000 kcal extra when I am already satiated. but not everyone has this skill and I lack the willpower to force it, I just eat more meals now and then). Many can’t even do IF as they undereat there. I met people who underate when underweight when on keto, no matter what. Surreal but not everyone can eat properly without carbs, apparently.

Of course I totally agree with eating peoper food. Though it is individual what is proper and what is right. I trained myself to eat as lean as I can, it still was too fatty but now I solved the problem. But my lean stuff is normal pork and quark and egg whites. All the processed meats are quite fatty anyway.

Not for some of us, at least. Keto is where one goes into and stay in ketosis to me. It must be quite low carbs and that’s it. Some people do lowish-fat (that’s tricky and has its conditions… not normal for keto) or high protein (I can ONLY do high or very low protein, moderate is impossible. But my protein intake is close perfect at this point IMO and it wasn’t too bad even when it was higher).

No, one should eat the breast if they like it just add enough fat in other items. I dislike chicken breast, the texture is horrid and I can’t stomach lean meats - but some people love it and there is no problem with it. I would be happy to like lean meats but alas, I love the fatty ones (and need high protein) so overeating fat was a huge problem for me on keto and it kept me from losing fat.
We are all different with different needs and tastes. What is a good idea for one may be a bad idea for others.

I agree with most you said but I as a hedonist would never tell someone not to eat their beloved lean meats - if they can have proper nutrient intake and macros. If that is missing, depending on lean meats too much can cause problems, of course.

(Edith) #14

The point of my comments was to point out that the OP should not fear fat. If he is eating chicken breast because he likes it, sure keep eating chicken breast. If it is because he thinks he needs to eat chicken breasts because they are low fat, that is a different matter.

#15

Okay, I totally agree with that!
It’s odd when a ketoer does it though… It would be starvation without a decent amount of fat!
But certain old thinking can linger I suppose and not everyone knows things so well in the beginning.

#16

OK…so averaging 2lbs a week and what exactly are you calling a stall? How much are you eating daily? Are you tracking? If anything OMAD will shock your system into not losing unless you’re eating a days worth at once, and even then that’s hell on your digestive system.

(Mark Rhodes) #17

I agree 100%.

(Mark Rhodes) #18

Look at the numbers: Pork sausage has 290-455 calories and 23-38 grams of fat per link. Turkey and chicken sausage have 140-160 calories and 7-10 grams of fat for the same amount. So if you NEED to up your fat content chicken is really unsustainible. That being sad here is a FB post from a few years back by me:

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Egg Beaters are egg whites. " Egg Beaters is a product marketed in the United States as a healthy substitute for whole eggs. It is a substitute for whole/fresh eggs that contains less cholesterol, but it is not an egg substitute. Egg Beaters is primarily egg whites with added flavorings, vitamins, and thickeners xanthan gum and guar gum. Wikipedia"

Ah ha . You have not had a some brats and hot dogs sold at large chain stores. The sweetness is overwhelming and far above 2%. So no, sausage is not sausage. Very few places sell a sausage that is preparred old world.

That is my eaxact point. You have been around quite some time Shinta, why would you limit fat? Maria Emmerich limits fat and she looks next to death. Seriously. When she dies our communityis going to be attacked.

[quote=“Shinita, post:13, topic:121567”]
Many can’t even do IF as they undereat there. I met people who underate when underweight when on keto, no matter what. Surreal but not everyone can eat properly without carbs, apparently.

There are many reasons to not fast. I am responding to @Steelerfan2024 when I said OMAD will not hurt. I have seen plenty of folks damage their body by fasting too much. Fung talked about this at length in regards to calorie restriction in the Biggest Loser Study. My statement stands,in this case OMAD will not hurt this person. Heck an extended fast with proper minerals did not hurt Angus Barbeeri’s fast.

[quote=“Shinita, post:13, topic:121567”]
Everything is keto. Keto itself is all about the carb intake. The health-conscious choosy keto with its blacklist is a keto variant. I ate good things on keto but even without that, it would have been keto if I stuck to the only rule.
[/quote] Oh Shinta…“That’s not Keto” is an old adage and was very common in the early days. And you are very wrong about carb intake. When I ran marathons I had a very high carb intake and still would be in ketosis. It is about controling nisulin and what insulin does, NOT about what you eat. FOR rmost of us, it is easy to think about it as carb control, but that would be wrong. It is like saying diabetes is about sugar control when it is about insulin resistance.

Furthermore KETO does not have inflamatory foods. No seed oils ( they are fats bhuuut) You can lose weight on bad keto and still be unhealthy. Why do you think Phinney and Volek use the term “well formulated ketogenic diet”

(Edith) #19

And… it is very difficult in the beginning to realize you are not killing yourself by adding in all that fat. :laughing:

(Pete A) #20

Turkey sausage :-1:

#21

But why is the amount important? It’s less calories so we naturally eat more of it… Or is it just me? :slight_smile: I want to ensure to get the right amount of fat for my protein. Leaner stuff is better for me as it’s ridiculously easy to add fat in copious amount but near impossible to add lean protein. Of course, if one have it differently, they should focus on fat. Our needs and tastes matter very much in these decisions, that’s why one person don’t understand why the other does their best to eat as lean meats as possible.

I got curious and looked up sausages here. It doesn’t matter if a sausage is pork or chicken/turkey, it can be lean, fatty or anything in-between. Sometimes the fat is 65% of the protein content, sometimes 225-250%… Wow, it’s a huge range! IDK what kind of sausages we are talking about, we have Vienna sausages (the leanest stuff but even that can be fatty), other type of sausages and dry sausages (now I remember I ate dry turkey sausage before, not bad but I prefer pork as it’s drier and more substantial), the dry has way more fat than protein, no matter the animal. But most sausages are quite fatty.

Because I don’t want to massively overeat. That’s not healthy and I wish to lose fat to show off the muscles I hopefully gain…
I must limit fat and protein as overeating them is bad. I don’t care about carbs as long as I eat close carnivore but I do limit dairy for reasons (overeating fat, mostly).
Some of us are prone to overeating. It’s easier with tiny energy needs. I need a lowish fat intake in order to avoid overeating like crazy. I always loved fat and I badly needed A TON during high-carb. It was a bit hard to lower it drastically on low-carb (I was daydreaming about fattier days for 10-something years - while eating too much fat compared to my modest needs). Keto brought no more changes but I think I have found the way.
That’s why.

Yes, of course. I never say keto means we need to eat little carbs. We need to eat little ENOUGH. It’s highly individual, depends on the person and their activity. And possibly a bunch of other things. I never even tried to eat below 20g carbs, I ate as little as I could and hoped I was below my personal limit. And I apparently was though it still wasn’t a really good diet for me. But it wasn’t about my carb intake.

One can lose weight on HCHF too. (I can’t by my own will but otherwise, sure.)
I said nothing about health regarding the basic definition. Keto itself is just about ketosis, not health (most of us obviously focus on health, it’s very logical and very right). One can do unhealthy keto with the most perfect items too, obviously. Health is another thing and highly individual.

Because even they know keto isn’t necessary well formulated? Just about carbs. I don’t know them but if they had to specify, it means mere keto doesn’t necessarily contain it. Makes perfect sense to me.

No one ever told me eating hundreds of grams of fat a day was any bad :frowning: Maybe they should have, I had so huge difficulties for almost half a decade to keep my fat intake low enough - but I am glad I didn’t get that insane low level teaching others here apparently did. So surreal, I just can’t wrap my head around it. Now I hear such things very occasionally - in the supermarkets where there are extremely fatty meats on sale all the time :smiley: It’s actually funny. The supermarket ad paper (I still don’t know the term for it) sometimes write about cooking lean meat without much added fat… And the next page is full with pork belly and pure fat tissue and whatnot on sale.

Maybe for people with a high energy need. My OMAD meals are often quite small. I ate way bigger meals before on any diet. Yes, that’s one reason why I don’t do it every day but even if I could do OMAD with the perfect macros longer term, the meals wouldn’t be big. Just decent sized (still smaller than many meals in my past and I never could eat really huge meals) and perfect for a slow fat-loss. When I don’t do OMAD, I don’t get smaller meals most of the time, my first meal is OMAD sized and I have other(s). So if a bigger meal is a problem, I should do OMAD to bring down the mealsize I suppose… :smiley: (I am not serious, I never could handle multiple low-cal days and it’s quite right.)
OMAD is quite logical for us whose energy need is only enough for a single modest meal. I know there are tons of people who get satiated by small meals, I am not one of them. So 2 meals are just way too much food under normal circumstances. It’s quite logical but OMAD has plenty of other benefits for me.
My digestive system should be able to handle it but I think it can thank me that I eat less on OMAD. Overeating must be a burden on multiple levels. And more expensive and time consuming too. And it keeps me fat.

(Mark Rhodes) #22
(Robin) #23

@Steelerfan2024
Hi Rob, I t must feel like we are all piling on. I hope you realize we speak from experience and concern. And the desire to help you like we were helped by others before us.

Here’s my meager 2 cents.
1st: An average of 2 pound lost a week adds up 52 pounds in a year. No matter how much weight you want to lose, that’s not only impressive, that’s maintainable!

BUT… if you want to speed up the process, you may need to eat significantly more.

Hang in there… trust the process.
Glad you’re here!
Stay in touch.

(Bob M) #24

While I have nothing against eating higher fat, I eat higher protein instead. I simply feel better eating higher protein. And I’ve been this way for YEARS. Many years. I was eating all the high fat stuff, and then I started testing super high protein, low fat to see what would happen with my blood sugar. It was then when I realized that higher protein, lower fat made me feel better. That was 2017.

I went from high fat everything to lower fat everything.

And Maria has plenty of success stories to show that other people do better on higher protein:

If you want to eat higher fat, do it. Just don’t say that higher fat is good for everyone. It’s not.

(Edith) #25

Ha, ha, I have noticed something similar on magazine covers, especially women’s magazines. They will have a picture of some decadent dessert (see recipe inside) along with the caption for an article on how to lose 10 pounds in a month.

(Rob) #26

No pain at all. My issue is that its been about 10 days without any change in weight. I even started walking, but the scale won’t move. Just want to jump start things.

(Robin) #27

A 10 day stall is frustrating, but they happen. I would just stay the course.
Can you try not to weigh for a month or so? That’s very hard in the beginning, I know. But stalls are not unusual and can really mess with your head.

#28

Hey @Steelerfan2024 just a heads up on a post I made about “stalls”

I didn’t want to hijack your post so made a different one, but have a look:

(Geoffrey) #29

Ten days ain’t nothin. That’s just an adjustment. Did you measure? Quite often when we aren’t losing weight we can still be losing inches.
During my 10 month journey down to my optimal weight I hit plateaus on several occasions that would last a month. I wouldn’t even notice two weeks.
Just keep on doing what your doing and eat plenty of good heathy fat and protein and let your body lose in its own time.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #30

Depends on what you mean by “a stall.” Three weeks of no scale movement is not a stall. Three months? Three years? It depends.

For example, after my initial 80 lb./36 kg loss, I had twelve months of stable scale numbers during which I lost another two inches from my waist. That was not a stall, because obviously I was still losing fat, even though the weight of the fat lost was being balanced by the weight of muscle gained. The fit of our clothing is just as important an indicator of progress as the number reported by the scale.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #31

Bingo! :+1: