Yet to watch this. Does it align with @richard ‘s link? I prefer the visual input.
Ok there are going to be multiple edits to follow as I collect the information (and apply my biases for the purpose of discussion).
Reading the Alex Selby critique referred to by @richard
See how he makes definite statements about what will happen without a hint of uncertainty. Such (rather unscientific) statements from such a high profile scientists have the potential to be used by Ivor Cumminses the world over and cause carnage (“Who are you to disagree with a Nobel Prize winner?”). Yet when Levitt is proved wrong he just shrugs and says “oops”
Selby goes on to make definite statements without references:
But it’s completely wrong to assume the infection is done when we’re at the bottom of the curve. If distancing is relaxed enough the infection will certainly be back.
So, I read the critique. It’s a good read. Thank you. I was affected by the hypocrisy in the language, but tried to temper that with looking for facts as best I can discern them from my average intelligence. I was also affected by @richard ‘s Appeal to Authority “bone-fide genius”, and that helped highlight Ivor’s similar appeal to Levitt ( the Nobel prize winner). That was enlightening. And I, similarly am appealing to the authority of Richard and Ivor (as it suits my beliefs). It’s like balancing scales to weigh the points in a rocky boat, the sea of investigation is constantly shifting, and during fearful pandemic times, quite turbulent.
I come out of the experience knowing less but knowing more by that. I think that type of learning has a sociological graphed curve along which I have progressed. Dunning-Kruger effect?
Has anyone got a link to a current Israel graph? Now that time has moved on a bit.
Now I will watch the linked video as Selby and @PaulL suggest.
Thanks for holding the boat while I do some swimming in the muddied waters.
Who is Dr. Pepper, Mark? Dr. Pimenta?
Ok, my viewing is incomplete but in the first 10 minutes I can observe that the doctor is not accurately listening to what Ivor is presenting. As examples, He dismisses the curve because of the start date rather than the shape. He appears to be basing an interpretation of immunity on serological antibody results rather than a more complete interpretation as provided by immunology.
I made the comments (above) before finding Ivor’s riposte video (below).
These responses I have are flare points on my existing biases, but this smug junior doctor has yet to produce a critique that is convincing for me. That is, more convincing than being presented in Ivor’s presentation.
At this moment, in this edit, I have yet to be convinced that Ivor is as discredited as the tone of this thread would have us believe.
It’s a tangle that needs unpicking. And as we unpick and untangle time will pass and more information will come to light.
I agree that approaching a viral pandemic with a voice of certitude is fraught and best left to thick-skinned (or dim witted) politicians. But, in my subjective opinion, that is not enough reason to cut down the tall poppy of Ivor Cummins and taint his history and legacy in the low carb keto space. I’m calling for temperance on those aspects.