It's interesting

(Shawn Patrick Malone) #21

Same here, I’m in S.E. Virginia and Keto options are everywhere, including restaurants.

#22

Meanwhile in Hungary I saw exactly one “keto” item this far. (Surely there are a few more somewhere but I didn’t meet them.) It was oatmeal, without any carb reduction or anything. <20g carbs in a teeny tiny packet so surely very keto…

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #23

As much as I respect some of the people trying to blame seed oils, I don’t know how they can distinguish the effects from the effects of cheap refined sugar and cheap refined flour.

(Brian) #24

Good point… but it’s all basically junk food. seed oil, sugar, etc.Might be shaped different but still junk food.

#25

But it has a different effect on our bodies. I never felt anything bad from seed oils (I believe they aren’t good and I was young anyway, it’s not the point), not even now when I eat a little bit at a relative but sugar is different and that is the thing that triggered my overeating anyway. Not like added fats would satiate me well but it’s true for all of them and at least they don’t make me hungrier.
Another bad point of sugar and flour that they often make food people find nearly irresistibly tasty/tempting. While we don’t drink 100-200ml cornflower oil. Hundreds of grams of sugar or starch? Easy.

The situation surely wouldn’t be nearly as bad without sugar and various processed treats.
Even if they wouldn’t be worse than seed oils, the effect would add up. But I blame sugar the most, I felt its effect, after all, physically and otherwise. (I ate a tonne of sunflower oil too but that was quite modest day to day. My sugar and flour consumption wasn’t.)

(Brian) #26

True. And different bodies will manifest that differently. Some react more to the sugar (me). Some react more to the oils (my wife). It’s also interesting how that has changed for us over the years. We now find that we both are having mild but noticeable reactions to things we used to have “on occasion”, like a serving of sweet corn perhaps offered to us by a friend. That happened last week. I felt just a bit nauseous after eating it (happens to me with other grains, particularly oats, which I can’t even remember the last time I ate), and for her, she started getting “itchy”, no hives, but the beginnings of a rash in certain places. They are both tell tale signs, subtle I might add, they’re not medical emergencies, for us that we’ve eaten something we shouldn’t.

(The odd thing is that neither of us gets that reaction to corn we’ve grown ourselves. But I am very “organic” in my growing methods as well. I only grow enough that the kids and grandkids get some when they visit a few times a year.)

(Geoffrey) #27

Of course not. It’s my understanding that seed oils in general are just not healthy for us just as seeds are not healthy. But, that is only one cog in the wheel of the sickness that is the SAD. Add in sugar, it’s in everything and grains as well as all the other carbs and chemicals they sneak into our foods these days. It’s as though there is a conscious effort to get us addicted to crap food to support the big agriculture industry and to keep us as sick and weak as possible to support big pharma.

Ok, stepping off my soapbox now…carry on.

(Luke) #28

Hi , I actually thought it was becoming more popular I believe this is the way humans will eat as we evolve , there will be a day where foods you can buy off the supermarket shelf are looked upon as poison. Food will have its “Smoking” moment…

#29

Meanwhile food items may have a label regarding their “healthiness” and if it’s not very low-fat, it’s “bad”. Crazy. Even I see such labels sometimes and they aren’t common here…

(Oliver ) #30

Right so Thomas Delaur maybe one of of the biggest and most influential health Youtubers posted a video 10 days ago titled Why is Everyone Quitting Keto" (where he basically brought the same thing I kind of noted and brought up in this thread a few week ago. Find that kind of interesting to say the least. Now I dont know how right or worong Thomas is but again find it interesting that so influential person posted this video on his platform/channel.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #31

Well, people may be quitting keto for whatever reason, but the recognition of it is higher than ever. I was in the local farm store last week asking about what kinds of yoghurt they carry, and as soon as I mentioned “full-fat Greek yoghurt,” the manager said, “Oh, you’re doing keto?” That wasn’t happening five years ago.

BTW, whatever happened to juice cleanses, drinking your urine, saunas, ice baths, megadoses of Vitamin C, the drinking man’s diet, the potato diet, the banana diet, the Toronto Hospital diet, breatharinism–you get the picture. Keto is so last week, so the trendy folk have to move on to the next fad.

(Robin) #32

HEY! You saying I’m not trendy???

Oh wait , that’s a compliment. Thanks Paul

(KM) #33

My overall sense: 1. People don’t like the word, it’s too trendy. 2. Industrial food is behind the curve and marketing “food” products with keto on the label (at triple the price) in the hope of reaching dieters who want a quick fix. 3. I think the principles of ketogenic diet are still accepted among many health conscious people (especially those who’ve tried it). Is that “losing popularity”? :thinking:

(Doug) #34

:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye::grin::smile: Can you imagine?

(Peter - Don't Fear the Fat ) #35

Low Carb is rapidly growing in popularity in the UK because doctors are starting to encourage it!
Diabetics medication are freely prescribed here so they cost doctors practices millions of £’s,
Doctors recommending Keto diets are shown to save money. Lots of money. Big Phama not happy I bet

#36

What is the next “fad” that is popular now?
I stay in the keto/carnivore lane but curious what people are jumping to if it isn’t this.

(KM) #37

Accepting being 30% overweight as normal and beautiful?

(Peter - Don't Fear the Fat ) #38

hahah … though sadly that’s the one some influencers are already going for lol

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #39

People may not like the word “keto,” but if you say “I cut out sugar, starches, and grains,” they’ll not their heads and approve.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #40

Probably not, but the NHS is. Dr. Unwins’s Norwood Avenue surgery apparently got a commendation for saving something like forty thousand quid a year on diabetes medications.