It is not only sugar

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #52

In case anyone missed it. β-hydroxybutyrate is a ketone. As in keto, ketosis, etc. You do not have to eat this stuff, your own body makes it and feeds it to whatever and whomever needs it, including your so-called gut biome. Oh, right, if you’re not eating keto or in ketosis, then you’d have to eat something with butyrate in it to be healthy. I think that’s probably why we evolved to make this stuff ourselves. Just in case we couldn’t find edible carbs lying around with significant butyrate content. Which for most of our evolution was the way it was.

(Bunny) #53

Exogenous supplementation of butyrate Parmesan cheese, grass fed butter (secondary MCT’s):

•You can eat butyrate; problem is, that it never makes it to your lower colon and your body is burning it up for fuel.

Endogenous creation of butyrate by gut microbiome:

•Your own body makes butyrate as long as the microbiome that make it are fed (resistant starch).

No resistant starch or non-digestible carbohydrates to feed butyrate producing bacteria?

•When you eat only meat those bacteria that produce butyrate die off and MicroRNA’s from the animal protein fill your lower colon, rectum (rectal cancer) and work there way up to the upper gastrointestinal tract and start cancer angiogenesis and your only antidote is resistant starch?

Listening to Shawn Baker (another victim of Tom foolery) as I write this and letters to him (“world going carnivore” vlog entry) from avid devotees about so called health improvements (supposed microbiome?) due to switching to the carnivore diet?

•When you eat only meat it leeches excess calcium from your entire body (as a CAC scan will show) but after that it starts leeching from your bones and teeth and you end up with brittle bones; as time will be very telling?

Anyone who claims to eat only animal proteins and fats for an X amount of years should be subject to strict scrutiny about there honesty?

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #54

That’s why all those skeletons of our hunter/gatherer ancestors show marked loss of bone density… Oh, wait.

(Bunny) #55

Maybe? But if your only eating ribeyes (…if your wealthy enough to do so…lol) and no cheese or non-pasteurized animal milk, pasteurized (removes all the beneficial enzymes and other unknown and known essential nutrients)?

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #56

And if you only eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and Twinkies. Not maybe.

(Bunny) #57

I don’t think ancient people would be eating peanut butter and jelly samiches or twinkies?

They would be eating Whole Foods but bone density has more to do with lack of fats and raw milk (calcium) to process vitamin K and D (cholesterol) and then you have increase in dietary carbohydrates so dietary fats get reduced due to availability of other cheaper types of foods like grains? You do get calcium from plants to but you need fat to make it useful and when you throw lots of glucose into the mix it (calcium) sticks to your veins and arteries rather than going to bones and teeth.

Now according to people like Dr. Berry “…you don’t need to eat calcium?” Something wrong with that kind of thinking when your telling people only to eat meat and go carnivore?

One things is certain and definite, eating only meat will strip your bones and teeth of calcium and throw your nitrogen balance into chaos eventually regardless of philosophies or projected theories about the “…onset of agriculture and weak bones…” period.

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #58

They didn’t have ribeyes either. They were eating the whole animal (‘head to tail’) and by all available evidence were healthier than their plant-eating descendants, including most of us now. Stop moving the goal posts. Eating only meat and no fat leads to ‘rabbit starvation’, which is protein poisoning. We’ve already had that discussion elsewhere. No one advocates that and you know so. You keep conflating foods we have available now, 12K years into the agricultural age, with what was available during most of human evolution. Our ancestors got calcium by eating bones, and you could do the same with no need for any dairy whatsoever. They got all the minerals and vitamins they needed from muscle and organ meats, bones and marrow. Plants during the Pleistocene and before were so nutrient dilute, it was hardly worth time and effort to gather them. You would expend more energy collected than you got from eating.

(Doing a Mediterranean Keto) #59

Do you have any reference about “Plants during the Pleistocene and before were so nutrient dilute, it was hardly worth time and effort to gather them”? No judgement at all, I am purely interested to know.

(Bunny) #60

Rabbit starvation comes from eating only rabbits…lol

What proof do have that they only ate animals? They were most certainly eating plants? I can definitely see grains (“onset of agriculture“) having there proper place in the picture your painting?

As far as your goal posts are concerned: moving them is a two way street?

Paradox is not a goal post, it is a set of contradictions that reach the conclusions of a stated point? Somewhere in those variables is the truth?

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #61


(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #62

It is acute, severe protein poisoning resulting from eating too much protein and too little fat. It’s a terrible way to die and no joke.

(Bunny) #63

…and all that is speculation, hypothesis and theories?

As stated before; that still does not prove exclusivity that ancient people ate only animals and common sense would tell you that; no ideation from your sources needed?

(Bunny) #64

Really? Hmmmm? That’s a real head scratcher?

(Natasha) #65

This is my chocolate recipe, I find it delicious…

25g - cocoa butter
25g - 85 or 90% chocolate
150g - crunchy peanut butter
2 tbsp HWC
Stevia drops to taste

Melt all together in a pan then pour into individual muffin cases (use a muffin tray!)

(Gregory - You can teach an old dog new tricks.) #66

Who is making that claim?

Speaking of fiber…
Do you know what a straw man argument is?

(Bunny) #67

The person quoting the text to be observed as proof in concept?

”…A straw man (or strawman) is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent’s argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be “attacking a straw man”. …” …More


So who is the strawman? (or strawbunny…lol)

• The one who is not (or is) taking into considering the public health and safety of other people?

• Or the one who wants everyone to believe in his or her theories without debate, scientific scrutiny, long term efficacy; that humans only eat meat and there can be no other food for humans other than meat and fat or animal proteins and fats irregardless of harm to other people?

(Jeff S) #68

Oh joy. Yet another pissing contest

(Gregory - You can teach an old dog new tricks.) #69

Mostly rhetoric…

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #70

@Arbre I have a personal anecdote to add.

(Gregory - You can teach an old dog new tricks.) #71

Most if not all we see in our produce sections of the grocery store were not available 100 years ago, much less available to our pre-agricultural ancestors…
If they were available, they hardly resembled what we see to today, neither nutritionally or visually.

Not that some of them cannot be valuable sources of nutrition, but it lends thought to the idea that any of this stuff is nutritionally essential.