Is there a need to have a continuous period of 4-8 weeks of keto at the start of keto lifestyle?

(Chris W) #21

Assuming all con founders are equal like weight diseases and fitness they have exactly the same DNA like perfect twins. They are both in the exact same spot, better than they were on Feb 28, keep in mind and you even state it this is a lifestyle not a diet to be followed for a short term. We all have days that are no keto friendly by accident or intention, its how you deal with the fact that they happened not be it planned or not. Keto is progressive the longer you are in it the easier and quicker you recover, some people that can be days some people that can be just a few hours and that is were the n=1 is important.
So nobody said it yet,
KEEP CALM AND KETO ON!

(Chris W) #22

When you say suitable food is not easy to find please explain?

(Sarah ) #23

I’m not sure that there are any short term benefits to keto, honestly. Maybe other people here will jump in. Because of metabolic differences in the way fats are metabolized, you will lose a bunch of water weight if you switch from a high carb diet to a high fat diet. But when you switch back you’ll just regain all the water. The first initial large weight loss feels great for most people, but it’s just motivation to keep going, its not really a benefit in and of itself because it’s completely reversible. Also, for me amd many other peoole, the change in moods was also almost instant, and it’s still something that keeps me motivated to stay on keto. I’m not sure you’d really consider that a short term benefit either, since enjoying it for a short time but losing it when you stopped keto, wouldn’t really seem like a positive result.

#24

Where to say… Well, it is how I see: I went in restaurant, I saw the menus. What I saw is that there are lots of food. But, most of them are either battered, breaded or sweetly-marinated. Also, they are in set meal that is certainly with at least one side that is carby.

Of course, I can be fussy and ask for non-battered/breaded/marinated, but sometime the staff is also an asshole and doesn’t want to oblige. When I even promised that I won’t complain even if my request will produce bad result, they are still being an asshole and don’t want to oblige, saying that it is an order from boss, and it makes me… Not happy already. But even if I want to make a big deal and complain, it is also no use, because they are just following boss’ order.

#25

However, I do like a few aspects of keto…

Or I should say love and hate.

Just let’s give this example: Those easily-accessible carby food vs those harder-to-access suitable fatty food(actually if you mean just the fatty food, there are some that I like, but most are basically battered/breaded…

Of course, it is less frequent to feel hungry, which is actually good, but it is still possible to feel hungry, and on those hungry time, I don’t even have the mood to find a proper food.

#26

That’s why I don’t want to have any mistake during the starting phase, so that I can get my body to burn fat quicker, then… Maybe after it seems like enough fat is burnt, I can then consider to either stay or leave keto…

I know that it will take time, so I intend to give about 1-3 months.

(Allie) #27

Do you not cook… ?

(Chris W) #28

Ok , so first off how to eat out is a art in of itself. In what part of the world are you eating?

You do not need to eat the side, get used to that. In fast food you just have to avoid places that don’t offer things you can eat like a hamburger were you can take off the bun. All deep dried foods should be avoided anyway unless you know they are fried in animal fat.

#29

I don’t really cook, but I do cook occasionally. But cooking itself is not a problem: it is the aftermaths that is the problem. I mean, tidying and washing the dishes… =.=

(Banting & Yudkin & Atkins & Eadeses & Cordain & Taubes & Volek & Naiman & Bikman ) #30

Okay, if A & B are metabolic clones, genetically identical in every way…
Probably not a big deal. It depends on the level of metabolic derangement, and what their genes are actually like.

For me, it wouldn’t be a big deal. For you, it could set you back a bit. The main thing is, if it happened, it happened, the best you can do is go forward and not make the same mistake twice.

(Allie) #31

Well that’s just life… and if you want something badly enough then it’s worth the effort.

(Banting & Yudkin & Atkins & Eadeses & Cordain & Taubes & Volek & Naiman & Bikman ) #32

Into each life, some rain must fall.
Cook wonderfully, clean often. It becomes a thing you do, rather than a chore.

#33

Just let’s say a place in South East Asia.

Maybe I should try to take a photo of one of the food store to let you know why I find it hard to find a good food that is very good.

Anyway, not eating the side? Then it is wasted… I mean, with just the meat, I am afraid that it is not filling, so I don’t dare to give up the side.(blame the society that always teaches us not to waste the food because there are lots of people who are still starving… But actually I am just afraid of karma) (During the experiment/messing-around period, I tried to have the salad as the side, and it seems … Not so suitable as the mayonnaise used doesn’t taste okay.)
Also, I am quite a cheapskate person. As in, when I don’t want the side, I of course will want to ask for discount or other exchange(like more meat or more keto-compliant stuff, like egg): after all, I am saving the side instead of allowing it to be thrown away because I don’t eat. I am saving your money, bro.

Deep-fried food should be avoided? But they are fatty. And it must be animal fat? I am not that strict in term of the oil used. Although I also personally believe in animal fat being better than all those plant oil(except olive and coconut oil), I don’t get that picky when eating outside.

(Sarah ) #34

Humans are not encouraged to take care of themselves. Look at the elders you see around you, especially those who eat a more modern diet. Look at the cost difference between whole foods and processed foods. Look at the cost of Drs and meds. Look how people are encouraged not to own the health, but instead just eat what their told, and only listen to the Dr about their own health, not to try to take care of themselves.

Even though small incremental improvement in your self care and healthy living will benefit you, the types of changes required for a full in change to your way of eating, are going to be very hard, but in my opinion, worth the effort. It may involve things like cooking or eating lots of plain foods. Some examples:

Hard boiled eggs
pickled everything
sliced or canned meats and fish
Veggies that can be easily sliced up and eaten, like avocado or cucumber
cheese
Broth
nuts

Also look into something like a slow cooker, or other simple one pot style cooking.

(Chris W) #35

You don’t need to feel ashamed of anything, most all of us here have issues of on sort or another and saying I don’t want it or not eating it are not something to feel bad about. You also don’t need to feel bad about asking for service from a vendor, if they don’t accommodate don’t come back.

Being a cheap skate myself I understand that you don’t want to waste, but ask your self this if you were allergic to the the side and it caused you bad side effects or could even be deadly would you eat it? So if you are trying to loose weight in particular that side of carbs is battling against you and causing you harm, look at that way.

When you get farther along on the diet your food bills will drop as you are not eating as much or often so keep that in mind.

Salads can be eating with out mayo, again in the US the mayo is often made with soy oil which is really not good.

Actually deep fried food in the US is almost always fried in vegetable oil, I cannot speak to your part of the world but I would at least ask. Batter fried anything is just plain bad, so they really should be avoided because you getting the carbs from the batter and possibly the oil if its vegetable oil. If it is animal fat then just try to not get anything batter if possible and consider yourself lucky.

#36

Err… It is only me still trying to be polite if I didn’t say fuck and point a middle finger to the restaurant when the restaurant doesn’t oblige my request, while making a note to myself that once I got the power, I would make sure the restaurant will no longer exist. <_< Sorry, I just like to deal out vengeance. (I am half-joking)

But the problem is that in this case, rationally speaking, having carb in my diet doesn’t kill me (immediately), so it is not deadly to me. and emotionally speaking, I don’t want to waste, as you know: considering that there are still lots of people starving… (Actually the real reason is that I don’t want the karma to bite me back on it: Well, today you wasted food, tomorrow you might cry as you don’t have any more food…)

Still, I see where you are coming from, and it is quite a valid point to note about. I can keep that in mind

[quote=“In2steam, post:35, topic:36625, full:true”]When you get farther along on the diet your food bills will drop as you are not eating as much or often so keep that in mind.

Salads can be eating with out mayo, again in the US the mayo is often made with soy oil which is really not good.[/quote]
But I am not sure when the time of bill dropping will come… I am afraid that it won’t come before my wallet burns a hole, seeing that it is possible to have failure…<_< of course I don’t dare to waste any side.

Also, I know that soy oil is not good, but why?

[quote=“In2steam, post:35, topic:36625, full:true”]Actually deep fried food in the US is almost always fried in vegetable oil, I cannot speak to your part of the world but I would at least ask. Batter fried anything is just plain bad, so they really should be avoided because you getting the carbs from the batter and possibly the oil if its vegetable oil. If it is animal fat then just try to not get anything batter if possible and consider yourself lucky.
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Erm… I know battered is bad, so I also don’t like it.

And I also know that plant oil is not good, but now my main goal is to get into keto first. Even if it is plant oil, I don’t care first, as long as it is fat… or am I wrong by a lot?

Keto = low carb + moderate protein + high fat, that’s all, right?

The quality of oil is not something I am able to care about now, especially when I am still getting used to keto life… <_<

#37

It’s a marathon not a sprint.

#38

it is very funny and ridiculous to do keto in the sense of 6-days-keto-and-1-day-cheat, right? If it can be done in even this manner, I will then be able to consider it as marathon. <_< Or else, it will be like a sprint to me at the moment, as I want to prove that there is really a significant effect to me within weeks/months.(I can give myself 3 months, which should be long enough to see it.)

At least the diet so far is not easy to sustain. Not as easy as the life that is crappy carby but food is easily accessible(just looking at all the carby biscuits that are being sold… keto food is not as easily accessible… <_<)

(Chris W) #39

Keto = low carb, moderate protein and HEALTHY fats to satiety is what I like to say.

Soy, corn, canola, vegetable oils are not considered healthy they are inflammatory and provoke insulin responses so they can shut down ketone production in some people if taken in large enough doses. So they are not really part of the keto lifestyle. Soy oil is one of the worst, in particular for inflammation and I can attest to that now. They really should not be considered in your macros as fat, they should be avoided.

If you are carb addicted and you become insulin resistant and down the road type 2 diabetic, you will be the one starving even when you eat that side of carbs! Keep that in mind.

(Chris W) #40

I realize that there are some oils which are vegetable based that are good so it could be confusing, they include coconut oil, olive oil and avocado and few others.

I believe the bad oils are often called seed oils.