Insulin

(Tricia Roth) #1

I’m not sure I’m posting in the right category. Please feel free to move if I did.

This is a question about my children really. If they are eating a keto breakfast and a keto dinner, and eating a Carby meal for lunch, I’m thinking that’s not as bad as having high fat/high carb or just having high carb at every meal. I’m thinking they will get SAD type insulin spikes after their lunch, but that insulin will be done doing it’s thing by the time they have dinner.

Is it worse for them to eat 2/3rd keto than 0 keto? And if they are only 2/3 keto, is it better that they are isolating their 1/3 keto meal to one per day?

School lunches are really Carby in this town. School is almost out, and I can stock them up on keto friendly lunch ideas for summer, but they’re getting older. I’m not always in charge of what they eat now. But what I don’t want to do is make things worse by feeding them keto when I am in charge.

(Omar) #2

I do not think it’s a good idea to have both hi carb at one meal and hi fat in another meal.

If hi carbs can not be eliminated, then I would reduce the fat and terminate keto all together.

(Doug) #3

Totally agree. Lower insulin responses at 2 out of 3 meals is much better than high responses at all 3.

#4

think of it this way 2 out of 3 meals they get a low carb, whole real food meals, how can that be bad. And what are you going to do feed them crap. Then having a high carb meal and then high fat meal is not the best for weight loss but is 100% better for health and anytime you can stop sugar consumption you have to be doing them a favor.

(Jane Hull) #5

You are teaching them to make better choices. My grandson does not eat Keto but chooses not have the bun, or to have a salad instead of fries often. His mom fixes keto dinners and he sees what we eat. He’s learning

(Omar) #6

My line of thoughts in my last post here

Most of the studies relating saturated fat to heart disease where done in the presence of carbs in the diet.

If that’s can translate to anything.

(Ken) #7

It’s subjective. It really depends on your kid’s hormonal responses, and if they’re deranged. Are you monitoring their weight? Are they gaining fat? If not, they’re fine, and in Maintenance. At least eating carbs at Lunch gives them a chance to be burned off rather than being converted to glycogen to the point of overcompensation. If chronic overcompensation isn’t happening, they’re fine. However, if it is, you should urge them to cut the carbs/starches at lunch.

(Tricia Roth) #8

My youngest might have too little body fat. He’s built like his dad. My oldest just lost some body fat as he’s shot up in height, but he’s still solid.

Neither make horrible choices. But the school lunches are so bad. Like a soft pretzel as the entree bad.

(Alec) #9

Tricia
The goal here is to reduce insulin load. We know that we do that by eating fewer carbs. So therefore it is only logical that if 2/3 of meals are low carb and one third are higher carb, this has got to result in lower overall insulin than 3 carb meals. It seems very clear to me you should feed them lovely wholesome nutritious super tasting low carb meals.

If your children are interested and teachable, you could even teach them about carbs and what they do to you, and encourage them to limit the worst of the carbs at lunchtime.

I sense your kids are making their own decisions, so education has got to be the focus. And gently, if they are anything like my kids anything foisted on them is likely to backfire! :crazy_face:

Good luck, this ain’t easy! And let me know how you get on. I would love to teach my kids to keto, but right now they are not interested.
Cheers
A

(Alec) #10

There are no studies proving any causation between eating saturated fat and CHD. None, nothing, zero, nil. If you have one, can you please reference it?

(Omar) #11

Sorry

I do not like to argue

If you get zero result when you search for relation of heart problems with saturated fat then I could help you with links.

If those researches are inconclusive or misleading I may agree but denying the existance of any study that associates heart issue to saturated fat then I am sorry I can not help and I will not reply.

(Crow T. Robot) #12

You guys are talking about two different things: causation and association. Omar, there are no studies that prove saturated fats cause heart disease. However, there are, as you say, studies that show an association of heart disease with saturated fat in the presence of refined carbohydrates. For example, I recall one where a mild association was seen when low-fat (high sugar/starch of course) muffins were compared with regular fat muffins.

The combination of high fat and high refined carb is the worst combination of all. I think we can all agree on that. However, I don’t believe that fat is a problem for healthy individuals if carbs and fat are consumed in separate meals.

As for the OP’s original question. I agree that a keto breakfast, even if followed by a carby lunch is better than no keto breakfast at all.

(Alec) #13

There is little point in discussing association when causation has been so broadly studied through randomised controlled trials (the gold standard in clinical research). So what do the RCTs tell us? This chart from Nina’s recent Breck presentation is crystal clear.

Over 75,000 people studied over 1-12 years. Results: No effect of saturated fats on cardiovascular mortality or total mortality.

So let’s make sure nobody is misled by the CW (which has been disproved again and again). Note that these studies are all done with carbohydrates in the diet. These are not low carb studies.

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Omar
You referred to studies, and therefore I wanted to make sure we are all clear what the relevant studies actually show ie there is no effect of saturated fats on cardiovascular mortality.
Cheers
Alec

(Ken) #14

Yes, I agree with that one. When my kids were in High School I took my kids off school lunches and made their lunches myself. I had leaned out one of my sons and cured his acne, so he didn’t want to regain any fat. The other one is naturally lean, but had developed a detrimental sensitivity in the form of dermatitis herpetiformis to starches. In their cases, they were happy to go off school lunches, but lot’s of kids aren’t as receptive.

(Tricia Roth) #15

Thank you. I think my kids would be ok with me making their lunches every day. I would also be happy if they made their school lunches every day, though. Maybe I’ll get really organized over the summer. They don’t like leftovers which makes things tough