I’m 61, 5’3" and started IF before going keto. I’ve been IF’ing since last October, usually 20/4. I started keto from my usual low carb around 6 months ago, and lost about 10 pounds–from 140 to 130. I recently (over the past 2 months) put back 8 of the 10 pounds and am extremely discouraged. IF and keto are perfect for me, as I’m never hungry when I wake up (even when I was a glucose burner), and I love the keto lifestyle. I’ve been working out with cardio and weights for years. My waist measurement has increased along with my weight. My thyroid levels are normal. I tried a 48 hour fast, lost 3 lbs then gained back 5 the next few days eating my usual 1500-1800 calorie keto diet. I also stopped my nightly whisky and that made no difference. I feel great except for being depressed about the weight gain and added belly fat. Would love some suggestions.
I'm suddenly gaining weight after 6 months on keto :(
I am only a beginner but I have heard of long term people benefiting from cyclical ketosis?
What types of foods do you eat? Could protein levels be too high or maybe carb creep?
I have heard two keto doctors say that weight loss can return while doing keto. So I’ve been looking for answers or ways to prevent it.
Today I watched a video by Dr Naiman on dietdoctor.com He shows evidence that more protein is better for keeping weight off. This evidence says the grams of protein should be equal to or slightly greater than the grams of fat that you consume.
I plan to increase my protein. I think this is one reason for my slow weight loss.
I’m really not sure----I wasn’t aware that OMAD slowed down metabolism. I thought it was the opposite! 
Something sure changed in my body because my macros haven’t. Can you point me to a “Show Me The Science” article on OMAD and metabolism? Thanks so much!
Wow, thanks Jana! I’ve been trying upping my fat and decreasing my protein for this weight gain/stall. @Anniegirl9 I’m almost positive carb creep isn’t the problem. I eat zero veg precisely to try and prevent that. I eat a lot of cheese, butter, avocado and bacon. I’m intrigued by this protein discussion though. It seems as though (and I haven’t watched it yet) what Dr. Neiman is saying is quite different from the typical macros one reads about for keto. @Jess1if you have any info on cyclical ketosis I’d so appreciate it!
I always treated the higher fat at beginning of KETO as a crutch to keep me away from carbage. I have since reversed it and eat more protein. Now losing 2 to 3 pound per month, and I am very happy with that
Dr Naiman is a data driven doctor. He also talks very fast. I have to replay his videos more than once to get all his info.
I forgot to mention that in addition to the one to one gram ratio of protein to fat, he shows data that supports eating up to 19% of your daily intake as protein. On dietdoctor.com he has three videos on the importance of eating more protein.
The website dietdoctor.com requires membership but the first month is free. It’s WELL worth the $9.00 per month and you can cancel at anytime. These worldwide keto doctors are so knowledgeable and informative. You could also check YouTube for Dr Naiman’s work. He may have some videos there.
@Keto6468 I’ve considered cutting back on cheese but was concerned about what else to eat, but now that I’m going to try upping my protein I may find it easier. @Wishbone I’d be thrilled with 2-3 lbs of fat per month too so upping my protein I am! 
@Explorer I’m thrilled to think that there is something “else” out there that may help. I was feeling so happy about keto and losing the 15 lbs or so of belly fat I’ve been carrying around my whole life and then BAM! Weight gain happened and I was in despair. Thanks for your input! My next problem (LOL) is we are going on vacation for a month and will be eating out every meal. I’ll be looking for a thread to help guide me through THAT challange. 
The hotel has those fresh cookies every night and I’m scared…
If you are fat adapted and able to burn your own body fat, and if you are trying to lose weight, there is sound reasoning behind the idea of eating more protein and less fat. Your carbs are minimal. You eat protein based upon your lean body mass (still a pretty wide range for you to experiment with). You also eat some fat, BUT, some portion of the fat you burn is your own body fat.
You have to take into consideration the body fat that your burning in addition to the fat that you’re eating. Yes, your consumption of dietary protein may look larger but if you’re burning your own fat stores, there is a fat fuel supply that’s not going to be on your plate today. (It was on your plate months or years ago.)
Ted Naiman is an interesting individual. He wants more protein for himself. He doesn’t really present himself as a bodybuilder but he does have some pretty intense workouts. That affects how much protein he is able to reasonably use and I’m pretty confident that his body has a use for a higher percentage of protein intake than others who are less active, and that’s probably 80% of the population.
FWIW…
It can in many, when I do OMAD I make SURE I get in my calories when I do eat. For many if they do OMAD, but then eat to satiety the satiety will kick in long before they hit that point and you wind up with a significant calorie restriction. If you only do it here and there who cares, but when its months and can definately have an effect. If you’re getting them all in at that point YMMV, but its something to keep in mind.
I seem to remember Megan Ramos saying that she uses OMAD as a maintenance method for her patients at IDM.
I appreciate your thoughts on the matter of fat intake. I have now lost 80 lbs on keto in 12+ months. But weight loss does stall when I increase my fat intake. Dr Naiman’s method of one to one grams of protein to fat may be more for people at normal weight.
However, it is doubtful that the data he uses to support higher protein intake includes subjects that are ALL bodybuilders. So I do plan to increase my protein. I only have 17 lbs to lose to have a normal BMI. Then I will have to reexamine my method of keto eating. Maybe I will go to OMAD. That would make my life so simple. 
That’s true.
It is interesting how different gurus take on a bias towards what they either do personally or what they see in their patients. I would guess that’s pretty normal.
Phinney has a lot of experience with athletes that don’t have much body fat, and that gives him a different view of fasting than say, Fung, who sees a lot of obesity and kidney patients where short fasts can be much more of a useful tool and way more appropriate than for any of Phinney’s athletes. Naiman sees a lot of patients that are vegetarian and often not getting the protein inputs that would help their overall health. And there are others.
I really appreciate knowing a little about the people that we have come to respect in the keto community and where they’re coming from. It’s sorta like a group of circles that overlap. Outer areas may not mesh but a lot of core material on the inner areas mesh quite a bit.
Isn’t this stuff fun?! 
Yes, that’s so true. One thing Dr Naiman says that I disagree with is his concern about muscle loss while fasting. He doesn’t do EF, but I have not heard him back up his concern with data.
I follow Dr Fung on this issue and have had great success with IF and EF. Tomorrow I will finish my third 7 day fast. I don’t seem to be losing muscle. But I am losing years of aging off my body. Friends say I look 30 years younger. Autophagy is awesome. I call it my fountain of youth. I’ve never felt healthier.
This is so cool!
Longo’s research shows that many folks do lose muscle during a fast (along with organ size) - and then put it right back when we re-feed, presumably with healthier cells.
I went out to eat recently with a friend. I ordered grilled salmon with bacon and avocado. I told them to hold the sourdough bread.
This was a perfect keto meal. It can be done. You CAN do it. I will agree that you’re facing a challenge being on vacation for a month and eating out three meals a day. The silver lining is that you’re not visiting friends or relatives who entice or insist that you eat this or that. You can make your own choices. Start a thread for support. 